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The Good, the bad, and the inability to beat good teams

A1A

Veteran
Hayden Hurst was a wasted pick

There is no he'll get better/ He's 26 years old

what was this FO smoking?

Thank you homie, I've been saying it since we drafted him. Idk why any team would draft mission guys. Blows my mind that our team has done it TWICE! oh and yea dont piss me off dude Derwin James is a baller! Smh and Andrew's should be getting all snaps. We have a 4 TE rotation lol like wdf??
 

DeVito52

Ravens Ring of Honor
Josh Allen sucks.. Though he is in a much worse situation than ours... I still for the life of me cannot determine why any team would draft him over Lamar or Rosen.

He's come a long way, but I honestly doubt him moving forwards. He doesn't look like a franchise guy and yes I've been watching.

Weirdly enough he's been very effective, moreso than Lamar, running with the football
The funny thing is, Allen has looked almost no worse than Lamar. Your pre draft bias/hatred of Josh Allen is too much for you to just accept that he’s been better than all of us thought lol
 

3-4ravdef509

Practice Squad
I see what you’re saying honestly. And I’d agree with you if Lamar didn’t make our team better than it is with joe. Lamar makes our team so much better in several different ways that joe can’t. Joe can’t make our run game thrive. Joe can’t keep our defense rested. Lamar is definitely not a good passer yet and still needs to develop but honestly we have a better chance of winning with him on the field.

Fair enough, I respect your position. I think we could see the running game continue to perform well if Joe started, we weren’t playing Edwards or Dixon with Joe. If Joe came in and played well the threat of the pass with a running game is a tried and true formula. But I’m just speculating.
 

cobrajet

Ravens Ring of Honor
I am pissed off at my wife too. She comes home right in the middle of that last scoring drive in regulation. I was in a zone watching the game and she comes in bugging me about how things are going. Just shut the hell up and don’t bother me!
 

A1A

Veteran
Also to add I would have bet money that this was going to be Montgomery's coming out party. He would have carved that defense up. Dude is a match up nightmare. Dump passes and slants also nice on the screens...But no we barely used him. Head scratcher. The Packers would have put him all over the place.
 

DeVito52

Ravens Ring of Honor
I am pissed off at my wife too. She comes home right in the middle of that last scoring drive in regulation. I was in a zone watching the game and she comes in bugging me about how things are going. Just shut the hell up and don’t bother me!
If you don’t want a divorce then shut the hell up!!!
 

3-4ravdef509

Practice Squad
He threw two TD passes and was generally poised .
Flacco would have gotten blown out .

Idk, you might be right but there were also plenty of passes Lamar missed that generally Joe wouldn’t. But I don’t want to see Lamar get banged up while he’s still working out his passing game. TOP helps for sure and is the biggest argument in favor of playing Lamar, I just don’t want to sacrifice the long term future for short term success
 

mc_red23

Pro Bowler
Also to add I would have bet money that this was going to be Montgomery's coming out party. He would have carved that defense up. Dude is a match up nightmare. Dump passes and slants also nice on the screens...But no we barely used him. Head scratcher. The Packers would have put him all over the place.

When do we ever use half of our roster in the correct way?
 

Lost_In_The_Sauce

Hall of Famer
Way to straw man argue against me.

Nothing you said was at all relevant to anything I said lol. And I said #9 was not a football reason, I listed it last for that reason. How about you respond to the first 8 and not the straw man arguments you constructed.
Okay then, have it your way.
Reasons to start Joe

1. First and foremost to protect Lamar who doesn’t quite seem to know how to protect himself and can’t effectively carry the offense without running as much as he does

2. Lamar isn’t ready or refined enough as a passer to win against good teams and teams aregoing to keep challenging him

3. Joe might play better with some time out and some motivation from how Lamar played

4. There’s reason to believe the run game won’t disappear with Joe , we weren’t playing Edwards and Dixon early on , and we have momentum with the running game

5. If Joe plays bad, you can put Lamar back in

6. If Joe plays well, you never can count us out in the postseason

7. If Joe plays well that boosts his trade value , especially because not playing again after an injury at his age surely isn’t going to help his value

8. We can still play Lamar for entire drives and plays like we were earlier in the year.

9. Last reason is less about football, just out of respect I think once Joe is cleared to play it’s just disrespectful to sit him.
1. Lamar has been fine. He got hurt in the pocket and seems to know when to get out of bounds. This is a weak argument in general. Kid is tough and not getting routinely clobbered.
2. You constantly claim that he cannot throw the football.. No, he can't do it consistently yet(most rookies can't), but he's way better than you give him credit for. Hell, Lamar threw the TD to put us into position to win. Not his fault the defense blew it towards the end.
3. Not a good argument. With Joe we have to go pass heavy because the interior is utterly pathetic. We'd have to give Lamar the majority of the snaps under C and do we want Joe as a receiver when he's been doing nothing?
4. A big reason for this is is... Skura and whoever is at LG have been atrocious. They were in today's game too. A big reason, and a better argument is that Orlando Brown JR is a much better player than Hurst and Stanley has come on big time. The defense has had to stop for a second to make sure, and one of Lamar's strong suits is that he can sell a fake like it's nobody's business.
5. If we think Joe is going to play bad, then why start Lamar when the offense has been way better.
6. Technically we are still in position for the postseason anyways. I don't think we make it with either.
7. He's a SB MVP QB, some schmuck will take a chance on him anyways and someone like the Jags might give up a pretty penny to do so. Especially since he was good at the start of the year before defenses figured out that we couldn't run the football. Teams with a real OL and running game without a QB(See Jacksonville) would likely pounce anyways and might overpay considering that a QB is all that they're missing. The boost, if anything would be minimal.
8. We can but then they seemingly become gimmicks. It's a decent strategy, but again, Flacco doesn't do much on those packages where we line him out wide. Eventually a consistent identity is going to win out. Playing two QBs in the playoffs at the same time works when Payton does it, but not Marty.


Playing Lamar is the smart move. Offense has been MUCH better, and if we win, great, he gets young, postseason experience. If we lose, great he gets experience and we get a higher draft position. It's a win-win either way.

Only way I see us playing Joe again is if we do get into the postseason(Which I doubt), and if he can convince us that January Joe is coming back.
 
Mosley could've made a better play on the ball. The way he played it was truly awful. I don't expect him to trail Hill or any WR for that matter stride for stride. Show me a LB who can.
 

Lost_In_The_Sauce

Hall of Famer
The funny thing is, Allen has looked almost no worse than Lamar. Your pre draft bias/hatred of Josh Allen is too much for you to just accept that he’s been better than all of us thought lol
And yet he's still not good.. At all. I'd actually say Lamar looks better, he's positively effecting his team.

I may hate Allen, and if he turns into a franchise QB I'll admit that I'm wrong... But I still have my doubts for all the reasons @Cville-Raven stated. Lamar has dramatically improved with a full mechanical overhaul, Allen really hasn't.
 

3-4ravdef509

Practice Squad
Okay then, have it your way.

1. Lamar has been fine. He got hurt in the pocket and seems to know when to get out of bounds. This is a weak argument in general. Kid is tough and not getting routinely clobbered.
2. You constantly claim that he cannot throw the football.. No, he can't do it consistently yet(most rookies can't), but he's way better than you give him credit for. Hell, Lamar threw the TD to put us into position to win. Not his fault the defense blew it towards the end.
3. Not a good argument. With Joe we have to go pass heavy because the interior is utterly pathetic. We'd have to give Lamar the majority of the snaps under C and do we want Joe as a receiver when he's been doing nothing?
4. A big reason for this is is... Skura and whoever is at LG have been atrocious. They were in today's game too. A big reason, and a better argument is that Orlando Brown JR is a much better player than Hurst and Stanley has come on big time. The defense has had to stop for a second to make sure, and one of Lamar's strong suits is that he can sell a fake like it's nobody's business.
5. If we think Joe is going to play bad, then why start Lamar when the offense has been way better.
6. Technically we are still in position for the postseason anyways. I don't think we make it with either.
7. He's a SB MVP QB, some schmuck will take a chance on him anyways and someone like the Jags might give up a pretty penny to do so. Especially since he was good at the start of the year before defenses figured out that we couldn't run the football. Teams with a real OL and running game without a QB(See Jacksonville) would likely pounce anyways and might overpay considering that a QB is all that they're missing. The boost, if anything would be minimal.
8. We can but then they seemingly become gimmicks. It's a decent strategy, but again, Flacco doesn't do much on those packages where we line him out wide. Eventually a consistent identity is going to win out. Playing two QBs in the playoffs at the same time works when Payton does it, but not Marty.


Playing Lamar is the smart move. Offense has been MUCH better, and if we win, great, he gets young, postseason experience. If we lose, great he gets experience and we get a higher draft position. It's a win-win either way.

Only way I see us playing Joe again is if we do get into the postseason(Which I doubt), and if he can convince us that January Joe is coming back.

Dude I’m sorry but Lamar got hit a bunch today. Sure the injury was in the pocket but that’s also because he’s a rookie and isn’t as experienced at reading the blitz and setting protections. We definitely are risking him by playing him while his passing game is up and down.

He needed an amazing punt return to get into position to throw that touchdown. And it was one of those plays that if it works it’s an easy td- to
His credit he threes a good ball. I’m not saying Lamar sucks and can’t throw at all. He’s just not consistent enough right now.

So basically we don’t know that we’d have ZERO running game with Joe. I don’t think it’s logical to assume it’d be just as good but I think it could be good enough to make the offense much better than it was earlier in the season when there wasn’t a running game.
 
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