Volume WR, Who is it Gonna Be?

[Deebo813]

paying NTs 60mil isn't a league standard thing because a lot of teams fail to realize that you can't win without stopping the run, but for us, it's really not a bad move, wasn't my first choice but the reasoning is obvious. Stopping the run is and always will be priority one on any successful defense. But as long as we have a franchise qb under contract, we would have a very hard time getting a star wr under any contract but a rookie deal, look at what average WRs got on the market this year. We absolutely can't afford to make a splash FA/trade move for a wr who is already under a big deal or is coming up on a big deal.

Not to mention, one thing has been proven time and time again, all-universe superstar wide receivers are not that damn important. Look at every SB winning team in the modern era. I don't think there has been a massive star WR on a super bowl winning team since the colts with Harrison, and before that is was the rams with Isaac Bruce and Torrey holt. But defenses win, good OLs win, qbs win, WRs just don't. We are wise not to stray from our formula. There was no point in the draft where a wr was of value(oj Howard was value but a TE technically) and there is no wr that we could logically justify trading a second for right now given that we are always cap strapped.

If we want a stud wr, we either have to draft one, or find another veteran who still has a year or 2 left in the tank who will play for cheap. Because totally mediocre WRs got paid absurd amount of money this offseason. There is just not feasible way to work it out. We would be better off building a run game and making die with our current group and hope we luck out somewhere, because or cap situation isn't gonna allow it until flacco is gone unless we decide to abandon our excellent defense and ignore our OL in order to throw the whole
Bank account at an average wr

Eish i could loke this 1000x.. if anyone disagrees with this, they lack footbqll and Ravens k owlwdge
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[Sledge Hammer]

I agree!

I've always said that the Ravens "identity or "formula" is to pound that rock and run that play action off of it! To me, that is where Flacco seems to really shine. Oh! And with that "sugar" huddle! Sure, the NFL is a "passing league" now but a team's ability to pound that rock and run down that clock can neutralize to eliminate an opponent's passing attack. Dallas did it extremely well last season! Sure up our O-line with some studs and we may have something in that area.

Sounds good but management keeps letting offensive lineman walk. Yanda is getting older and not easy to find studs. Functional lineman yes. I favor the offensive line strategy. If the defense is worried about the offensive line it takes his attention from making a play. And makes the skill position players better.

 

[JoeyFlex5]

Sounds good but management keeps letting offensive lineman walk. Yanda is getting older and not easy to find studs. Functional lineman yes. I favor the offensive line strategy. If the defense is worried about the offensive line it takes his attention from making a play. And makes the skill position players better.

It's possible that we may have found 3 studs in the past 2 drafts. Stanley is a stud LT so the most important position is done, Alex Lewis has a really good chance to be a stud at both LG and RT, and siragusa looks the part of a second round kind of guard who fell due to small school status.

 

[jdynamite]

I would much rather see the Ravens add a veteran Running Back than receiver. However I see them putting both on the 90 man at sometime to give a look see. What will probably happen, as usual, is the 90 man will thin out due to injuries/low productive players. Thus allowing for some leftover FA or cap casualties to be evaluated and given a spot to make the 53 man. There is definitely an opening at RB especially for 4 weeks maybe more.

James Starks or L Blount would be good looks for the Ravens. Solid yardage guys that like to get the ball in there hands and make big plays.
Micheal Floyd or Rod Streater might be hungry enough to break the mold at WR. Both actually have low mileage considering the years.

The WR camp is young with the exception of Wallace. So it is reasonable to think that Ravens will consider adding veteran help.

I disagree on Blount, he didn't even average 4yds per carry last year.
Blount had a grand total of 7 runs over 20+ yds over the course of 299 carries last year. As a comparison T.West had 5 runs over 20+ yds on just 193 carries.

So I'm not sure where the narrative of him making big plays comes from, last year he happened to have an exceptional year in terms of TDs scored but that's not the norm and he was playing in a very efficient offense.

I mean I think he could possibly have a role similar to Le'Ron McClain back in 08' when he had a career year with us.

 

[Sledge Hammer]

It's possible that we may have found 3 studs in the past 2 drafts. Stanley is a stud LT so the most important position is done, Alex Lewis has a really good chance to be a stud at both LG and RT, and siragusa looks the part of a second round kind of guard who fell due to small school status.

Would be ideal. Siragusa said multiple times he wants to play center. He would be an unusually big physical center. And if Eluemunor can surprise us and be ready year one to play. It is better than hoped for. I kinda like idea Stanley and Eluemunor on left side. And Yanda and Lewis right

 

[rossihunter2]

Would be ideal. Siragusa said multiple times he wants to play center. He would be an unusually big physical center. And if Eluemunor can surprise us and be ready year one to play. It is better than hoped for. I kinda like idea Stanley and Eluemunor on left side. And Yanda and Lewis right

when has siragusa said that he wants to play center - the only thing he's said about center is that he's happy to move there if that's what the team asks him to do but he's never said he wants to play that position on the line at all

 

[Sledge Hammer]

when has siragusa said that he wants to play center - the only thing he's said about center is that he's happy to move there if that's what the team asks him to do but he's never said he wants to play that position on the line at all

That is a hint he wants to compete for an open job. Would you prefer washed up Mangold?

 

[rossihunter2]

That is a hint he wants to compete for an open job. Would you prefer washed up Mangold?

i would prefer siragusa win that job i wasnt disputing the idea of having him at center just his being so effusive about playing the position

 

[RavensPunkXVX]

I've been sipping the purple kool-aid and I believe that we have a decent WR corps. Perriman is a first round pick, he'll step into that second WR position. Moore or Camp to fill out that slot receiver role. If we could add another veteran that would solidify it. They just need to stay healthy and that goes more in line with the TE's. Boyle, Gilmore, Pitta, Maxx (if he can be healthy and live up to potential.) I always wanted Maxx to be our new Todd Heap.

Like I said, drinking purple kool aid with purple tented sunglasses.

 

[BloodRaven]

What would the Bills take for Sammy Watkins?

 

[Grim]

So I've caught up in this thread and here's my thoughts on it:

1. I wouldn't give up significant draft capital to acquire a WR. I think Landry is a pipe dream, and I think most WR we simply won't pay to get. We don't give up significant draft capital for players we don't intend to re-sign. Personally I'd prefer we focus on the OL than WR. An effective run game makes it easier on our rather average WR corps.

2. We need to see what we have here for once. Perriman will be in his second real season this year, same with Moore. Campanaro is a free agent, Reynolds has a year under his belt, and Wallace will be in his final year under his current deal. We need to know if we want to bring Wallace back or not but if not then we must be aggressive in FA and the draft.

3. Most of the names suggested just aren't going to bring us what we need unless we drop serious picks. I don't see a guy out there who is available that will really elevate our offense

 

[JAAM]

What would the Bills take for Sammy Watkins?

Probably a second and a mid rounder or two. And then we have to pay him big money if he has an amazing year. On top of all of this, we have to hope he's healthy enough to play a full season. The talent is obviously there. It's a risk I'd be willing to take. Not sure Ozzie feels the same way though. There's no way we can go into the season with Perriman, Wallace and Camp/Moore as our top wideouts however. We need to figure something out.

 

[jdynamite]

Doesn't have to be Watkins. But any WR borderline 1 caliber. Of course injured players hurt the cap. All I'm saying is if we manage cap with some common sense it won't hurt to trade a round2 pick for a badly needed player that will make a splash throughout our offense. And help pay dividends on our biggest investment. As long as we don't keep paying nosetackles $60mil. A team can easily absorb trading a 2 rounder for a badly needed player. And turn a big weakness into a strength for once

I was reading some of the back and forth between you guys and I think a perfect illustration of what you're describing is what we tried to do back in 2004. When the team traded the 2004 2nd rounder to acquire Terrell Owens only for him to block the trade.

Anyway that second rounder that we had to keep ended up becoming DT Dwan Edwards, a blue collar player but certainly was more than expendable to have a talent like T.O.

Honestly if the Bills wanted to part ways with S.Watkins for a 2nd rounder, given his skill set & his age only 23 years old ( turns 24 in June), I say jump on it immediately.
People are being silly to say oh he's missed games, meanwhile they're also trying to convince themselves that Campanaro is Welker/Eldeman clone in our non-Patriot offense.

 

[Sledge Hammer]

I was reading some of the back and forth between you guys and I think a perfect illustration of what you're describing is what we tried to do back in 2004. When the team traded the 2004 2nd rounder to acquire Terrell Owens only for him to block the trade.

Anyway that second rounder that we had to keep ended up becoming DT Dwan Edwards, a blue collar player but certainly was more than expendable to have a talent like T.O.

Honestly if the Bills wanted to part ways with S.Watkins for a 2nd rounder, given his skill set & his age only 23 years old ( turns 24 in June), I say jump on it immediately.
People are being silly to say oh he's missed games, meanwhile they're also trying to convince themselves that Campanaro is Welker/Eldeman clone in our non-Patriot offense.

Not to mention catching from one of the best arms in the game as opposed to Tyrod Taylor.

 

[rossihunter2]

Honestly if the Bills wanted to part ways with S.Watkins for a 2nd rounder, given his skill set & his age only 23 years old ( turns 24 in June), I say jump on it immediately.
People are being silly to say oh he's missed games, meanwhile they're also trying to convince themselves that Campanaro is Welker/Eldeman clone in our non-Patriot offense.

i think the main reason he's not worth a 2nd round pick is because he's a 1 year rental - if the bills were gonna trade him i feel pretty confident that they'd have picked up his option because it increases his trade value
essentially you wouldnt just be spending a 2nd rounder on an injury risk, you'd be spending a 2nd rounder on an injury risk that you might only get for a year - either he might not sign an extension or he might not warrant one because of injuries etc.
boom/bust is not the type of risk you take on a 1 year rental when it's worth a 2nd rounder - look at sheldon richardson's trade value being reported as a 4th round pick maybe a 3rd round pick - there's no way watkins is worth more than that

 

[mc_red23]

I've been sipping the purple kool-aid and I believe that we have a decent WR corps. Perriman is a first round pick, he'll step into that second WR position. Moore or Camp to fill out that slot receiver role. If we could add another veteran that would solidify it. They just need to stay healthy and that goes more in line with the TE's. Boyle, Gilmore, Pitta, Maxx (if he can be healthy and live up to potential.) I always wanted Maxx to be our new Todd Heap.

Like I said, drinking purple kool aid with purple tented sunglasses.

We have far from a decent group if certain WR's can't catch and some others can't get on the field due to injuries. I like your optimism though, I need to start drinking that purple kool aid .

 

[rossihunter2]

We have far from a decent group if certain WR's can't catch and some others can't get on the field due to injuries. I like your optimism though, I need to start drinking that purple kool aid .

it's not a corps that's devoid of talent to be fair - just consistency which is also problematic but given that it's your team it shouldnt be that hard to be optimistic a little bit about breshad perriman moving forward...

 

[The Greek]

i think max williams can be the possession chain mover receiver we need to play the slot. he is faster than pitta and has the size to go over the middle. like all of the te's we have they must stay healthy. i believe perriman steps up and has a pretty strong season for us but i sure hope they allow him the chance to be that all around receiver and do not just send him deep.

 

[RavensPunkXVX]

We have far from a decent group if certain WR's can't catch and some others can't get on the field due to injuries. I like your optimism though, I need to start drinking that purple kool aid .

Let me just say I don't think there's enough there for me to say, "yeah this is a bad group." SSR was targeted a lot last season and for the right reasons. Perriman is still raw and could develop a relationship with Flacco this offseason. Mike is the veteran who could be a good leader for the young ones. And Chris Moore could boom in his role. I just see a lot of potential and one year is not enough for me to make a decision on whether or not this group is gonna work. The only one that you could really hang your head on is Camp. Could be an x factor should he stay healthy.

 

[mc_red23]

it's not a corps that's devoid of talent to be fair - just consistency which is also problematic but given that it's your team it shouldnt be that hard to be optimistic a little bit about breshad perriman moving forward...

I never said I wasn't optimistic about Perriman but this is a whole receiver corp which has issues flowing through it. I'll just wait and see how we get on in the pre-season games.