Signings, Cuts, Trades

[Deebo813]

You aren't wrong, but we wouldn't have paid what we paid to back up Zeus, Jr. if he was still with the team. You can look at it either way, imo.

Either way both teams did well in this trade, without knowing how the players pan. We will know for certain in a few yrs.

I think regardless of how players pan out the trade was great on both ends..if oweh ends being a bust, i dnt think it means trade was bad, we just drafted wrong this time... as for kc, if brown fails at LT, they can just move him to Rt where he playa above avg.. still, great trade for both teams

 

[RavensMania]

I think regardless of how players pan out the trade was great on both ends..if oweh ends being a bust, i dnt think it means trade was bad, we just drafted wrong this time... as for kc, if brown fails at LT, they can just move him to Rt where he playa above avg.. still, great trade for both teams

definitely agree, feel it was a win-win.

 

[ndub]

I think regardless of how players pan out the trade was great on both ends..if oweh ends being a bust, i dnt think it means trade was bad, we just drafted wrong this time... as for kc, if brown fails at LT, they can just move him to Rt where he playa above avg.. still, great trade for both teams

I am quietly betting on OBJ not looking good at all at LT for the chiefs... they’re much more focused on passing than running and they ask their line to do different things that I don’t think OBJ will be able to do as successfully there as what he was asked to do here... I say quietly because who knows, he may surprise

 

[BoredMarine13]

Waking up to good news! Let's Go, this offense is going to be dangerous.


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[rmcjacket23]

isn't Villanueva a better pass blocker than Brown?

Probably recently, yes. But others would tell you that Brown's better days may be ahead of him, while Villaneuva's may be behind him.

Hence why one is going to be a $20M future LT, and the other was a mid-tier LT who just signed for $7M to basically switch to the right side.

I'm not saying that Brown is 3x better than Villaneuva, but they're also at different points of their career.

 

[purplepittabread88]

Waking up to good news! Let's Go, this offense is going to be dangerous.


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Same, I woke up to this, my sickness gone, and tickets to the Orioles playing in Seattle tonight. Amazing Baltimore day for me.

 

[JoeyFlex5]

i saw elsewhere that ravens are very in on houston but the cap is complicated to make it work - my guess is they really wanted houston before the orlando trade, and now they still want houston but villanueva's signing makes it more difficult to pull off

Sounds plausible. Honestly I’m not too concerned with it at this point. We made it work with LJ Fort and rookie Patrick queen with much higher liability potential because of their positions, and I think Patrick queen is going to be a much better player for it. If we have to, I’ll take the same with McPhee and oweh, liability potential is less, and it’s always been In Wink We Trust. It’s always been In Eric We Trust also, so to add to that, let’s see these new secondary pieces we just got a few days ago, see if they don’t make it all possible for Wink and Oweh.

 

[JoeyFlex5]

Probably recently, yes. But others would tell you that Brown's better days may be ahead of him, while Villaneuva's may be behind him.

Hence why one is going to be a $20M future LT, and the other was a mid-tier LT who just signed for $7M to basically switch to the right side.

I'm not saying that Brown is 3x better than Villaneuva, but they're also at different points of their career.

Pff said something I have always agreed with, basically that the net gain by going from good to elite OT, is much smaller than, for example, the net gain from a good WR to an elite one.

if we have to struggle at RT for a year to improve our WR corps and pass rush and at the same time we bolster the iOL at multiple spots, sign me up, bye bye brown

 

[JoeyFlex5]

I am quietly betting on OBJ not looking good at all at LT for the chiefs... they’re much more focused on passing than running and they ask their line to do different things that I don’t think OBJ will be able to do as successfully there as what he was asked to do here... I say quietly because who knows, he may surprise

I’ve thought this, I think he’s gonna do a respectable job but he’s not gonna live up to his contract and trade cost.

I also find it funny that we trade him and use the pick gained to draft an athletic freak edge rusher who should blow past him a few times

 

[UPennChem]

Two other quick notes of potential optimism for the Villanueva signing. Firstly, AV is now going to be coming in as a part of a much stronger unit than the one he was just playing in. Two, the system we are running is not going to send him out in pass pro 750 times. We should be far more balanced and a tight unit. Also Lamar is obviously far more mobile than Ben. I think he's just what the doctor ordered for this year and we can hopefully upgrade next year.

 

[ndub]

I’ve thought this, I think he’s gonna do a respectable job but he’s not gonna live up to his contract and trade cost.

I also find it funny that we trade him and use the pick gained to draft an athletic freak edge rusher who should blow past him a few times

I also find it funny how the chiefs will probably only have him for one year if he asks for too much money, while like you said we have a high potential freak and more out of a guy who was gonna leave us in the end anyway

 

[rmcjacket23]

Pff said something I have always agreed with, basically that the net gain by going from good to elite OT, is much smaller than, for example, the net gain from a good WR to an elite one.

if we have to struggle at RT for a year to improve our WR corps and pass rush and at the same time we bolster the iOL at multiple spots, sign me up, bye bye brown

Short-term it'll feel like a loss, because ironically, Villaneuva is like 2x more expensive than Brown is this year. Typically its easy to justify the "downgrade" when you factor in the differences in prices from a good/great player to an average one. But for 2021, Brown is actually cheaper, which will make it (likely) a little tougher to swallow.

It will likely all hinge on how well guys like Oweh end up long term.

 

[rmcjacket23]

I also find it funny how the chiefs will probably only have him for one year if he asks for too much money, while like you said we have a high potential freak and more out of a guy who was gonna leave us in the end anyway

Seems unlikely.
For starters, while the Chiefs won't be in a great spot for the cap in 2022, I don't think they'll be in a terrible one either, and they'll easily be able to find a way to keep him. The franchise tag will certainly be an option, and while it's going to jump up considerably from 2021, it'll like be in the $16-17M range for 2022, which is certainly a fair price for Brown. So even if there's questions about his ability to play the position, they can basically keep him for 2021-2022 at a combined like $20M, which is a bargain. They'll probably lose a guy like Mathieu next year if they keep Brown, but I think its pretty clear from how they're structured that they're willing to invest pretty heavily on offense, maybe pay like 1-2 guys on defense, and then go draft heavy after that, which is what I expect them to do in 2022 and going forward.

That being said... if they did opt to not keep him, it really wouldn't be the end of the world. They didn't give up a ton to acquire him in the first place, and if that's a one year rental, so be it. They're probably only surpassed by the Bucs as teams who are in as big of a "win now" mode as it comes, so it's not surprising to see them throw some draft picks at a guy who can protect the future HOFers blind side, if only for a year.

I don't hate the trade for either team. I mostly hated it because we traded him to the Chiefs, which is almost certainly a team we'll need to beat in order to get to the SB. If we had traded him to even somebody like TB or really any NFC team, I'd have no issue with it at all.

 

[Grim]

I don’t think the Ravens cared about trading him to KC. Thinking about it from another angle maybe we thought that while Brown is really good we can maybe at least know his weaknesses enough to hopefully exploit them

 

[ndub]

I don’t think the Ravens cared about trading him to KC. Thinking about it from another angle maybe we thought that while Brown is really good we can maybe at least know his weaknesses enough to hopefully exploit them

Yep. Something tells me that this offense covered up a lot of those weaknesses

 

[ndub]

Seems unlikely.
For starters, while the Chiefs won't be in a great spot for the cap in 2022, I don't think they'll be in a terrible one either, and they'll easily be able to find a way to keep him. The franchise tag will certainly be an option, and while it's going to jump up considerably from 2021, it'll like be in the $16-17M range for 2022, which is certainly a fair price for Brown. So even if there's questions about his ability to play the position, they can basically keep him for 2021-2022 at a combined like $20M, which is a bargain. They'll probably lose a guy like Mathieu next year if they keep Brown, but I think its pretty clear from how they're structured that they're willing to invest pretty heavily on offense, maybe pay like 1-2 guys on defense, and then go draft heavy after that, which is what I expect them to do in 2022 and going forward.

That being said... if they did opt to not keep him, it really wouldn't be the end of the world. They didn't give up a ton to acquire him in the first place, and if that's a one year rental, so be it. They're probably only surpassed by the Bucs as teams who are in as big of a "win now" mode as it comes, so it's not surprising to see them throw some draft picks at a guy who can protect the future HOFers blind side, if only for a year.

I don't hate the trade for either team. I mostly hated it because we traded him to the Chiefs, which is almost certainly a team we'll need to beat in order to get to the SB. If we had traded him to even somebody like TB or really any NFC team, I'd have no issue with it at all.

Great analysis

 

[JoeyFlex5]

Short-term it'll feel like a loss, because ironically, Villaneuva is like 2x more expensive than Brown is this year. Typically its easy to justify the "downgrade" when you factor in the differences in prices from a good/great player to an average one. But for 2021, Brown is actually cheaper, which will make it (likely) a little tougher to swallow.

It will likely all hinge on how well guys like Oweh end up long term.

It’s a band aid, but oddly it’s a necesssry bandaid to allow us to build the team long term. That Orlando trade could have opened the teams super bowl window by another 3-4 years, and our immediate chances at a ring saw a definite net gain I’d say, without the Orlando trade, it’s probably a slightly lesser net gain.

 

[Ellicottraven]

I'm just praying for Bateman and Oweh to be starters of high quality this year. If that happens, the OBJ trade will be good and pleasant afterthought. I am somehow more certain of Cleveland and Wallace becoming immediate starter contributors. I can't put my finger on it, but just feel so.

 

[ndub]

I'm just praying for Bateman and Oweh to be starters of high quality this year. If that happens, the OBJ trade will be good and pleasant afterthought. I am somehow more certain of Cleveland and Wallace becoming immediate starter contributors. I can't put my finger on it, but just feel so.

Wait, more certain of Tylan Wallace being a more immediate contributing starter than Rashod freaking Bateman?? LOL... nah man that’s just the bad spaghetti you had last night giving you indigestion

 

[ndub]

I don’t even know why people keep whining about OBJ. There’s absolutely no way he would’ve stayed past this season for us. For us to have gotten literally anything for him is incredible. Some bring up bandaids with AV. Well to be honest, AV has a far greater chance of still contributing to us in 2022 than OBJ had, had he stayed this year. Think of the future sometimes, folks