A lot of arguments are certainly valid, but yeah, quoting in the final five just isn’t feasible. Looks doable in the least active group, but in any other group, just not possible.
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A lot of arguments are certainly valid, but yeah, quoting in the final five just isn’t feasible. Looks doable in the least active group, but in any other group, just not possible.
Giants56Ravens52
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Going off of notifications worked last year just fine.
allblackraven
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Yeah, I have no objection on valid arguments and attempts to fix/change the FA bidding rules.
allblackraven
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It couldn't have, since the same no quote rule applied. Perhaps someone did quote you without the obligation to do so?
Giants56Ravens52
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There should be some way of letting people know when they are passed in that five minute window. Otherwise how would they know they need to even ask for a bid off.
Giants56Ravens52
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I received notifications on it somehow.
Giants56Ravens52
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I mean it's easier and faster to quote anyway. It doesn't make sense not to unless you're really trying to get away with something.
Exactly. Trying to quote a bid when bids are coming in within seconds of each other will only end up having the wrong bid quoted, thus invalidating the bid.
Without you having a chance? That is literally the entire basis for the FF rule's existence. You are covered via notifications prior to 6:55. With the rule in place, given that you were the highest bidder prior to the FF, you were additionally covered for the remainder of the bidding period by being able to request an additional bidding period should you have been outbid without a notification. Without this rule in place, the highest bid wins and there are no additional periods. It's sudden death. Meaning I would have won uncontested. You were afforded the opportunity and you weren't online. You've raised your concern with the allotted time, which was more than fair. I personally brought up the concern to the council, stated that it should be handled right away and voted for your idea immediately. You yourself are a returning participant. Yet you somehow insinuate that if the rule doesn't change, it's because of my supposed ulterior motives, which is blasphemy. Your ignorance is not an excuse. I don't know where you've been during the eight FA periods last year when most teams were submitting their bids within the last five minutes. That's how a deadline bidding process works.
Your concept of bidding on players within the last hour only with prior bids does nothing to prevent the final flurries with no notifications. Within the aforementioned concept, members would simply bid a minimum amount prior to 6:00 PM in order to qualify to continue bidding, and their flurries would still be just as present in the waning minutes. The only upside would be that it would provide a better scope of the potential members involved. It's nullified by the major downside of having significantly more teams who don't exercise their challenge rights because they can no longer afford their target. The main reason that the challenging rights are as close as they are to the deadline is because we want more teams to challenge for FAs. If I have my right on Player X at 6:00, he's suddenly bid on to an amount I can't match, then every single one of the remaining teams whom are going to bid for Player X are now bidding in sudden death mode. It's a solution that helps one team and hurts all of the remaining competitors. I've already explained the quoting in significant detail. Restating the same statement time and time again doesn't count as a counterpoint.
We are not changing the final 5. We are changing the bidoff process and the time alowed for the bid off.
allblackraven
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This. Lot of time needed to figure out which bid to quote. Often you end up quoting the wrong one, rendering yours invalid, too.
Quoting of the wrong bid happens prior to 6:55. It would happen continuously after 6:55 and CoCo are the ones behind the scenes trying to figure the mess out. Does the FA periods need an overhauling. Without question they do, but this is the process put in place at the moment.
After the game is over, we will to a practice run of a new free agency option that was brought up last year with no time to practice due to the boards shutting down.
allblackraven
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Fire Harbaugh, I say!
You only would have received notifications if a player you were bidding on happened prior to 6:55. Not after. Now I can say, I've accidentally quoted during final 5 in the past but it's been a couple years since I've done that.
Fire Admin 3 or was it Admin 2, I forget.
allblackraven
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Accidental ones happen every year in last 5. I did my fair share of those, too.
allblackraven
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They couldn't have done it on their own, must have come from higher up.
Of course it did. I'd rather blame them or Garrett Downing and Ryan Mink. It's more fun to blame them.
Exactly. And then you have somebody else quoting that bid, rendering theirs invalid. There's also a high chance that while you found the highest bid, are quoting it and upping it, somebody beats you to the punch by mere moments and renders yours invalid. I've seen double digits invalid bids on one player the first year of FA. It would be bizarre to remove the solution to this issue in order to address a far less common one, something that I can attest to given that I handled bid-offs last year.