2026 NFL Draft General Discussion

[JoeyFlex5]

the reason i don't subscribe to that philosophy is it all falls apart if Ioane's not a great player
you put all your eggs into fixing a position in the first round of the draft vs drafting the best talent and you end up creating potentially big holes in your roster

the draft is about finding talent not fixing holes

and vega's neither the best OL in the class, nor even the best G in the class (in my opinion), and definitely not a fit for the Ravens offence as i understand it to be

schrauth, bisontis, pregnon, parker ii may be around in R2 and not only do i not see a big talent differential between them and ioane, i think those guys are better fits here

at 14, the only OL i'm happy taking in this class are Fano or Mauigoa

Oh I’m aware of what the draft is for and what happens when you exclusively draft for need, I just don’t think it has to be so rigid that you can never address your teams weaknesses to get over the hump and if a player is a first round talent that will be a huge net upgrade for your team then you can lighten up on the value argument. You’re not putting all your eggs in that basket, there just ain’t shit out there for OL and quality ones rarely hit the market and the cupboard is bare everywhere, so in the draft OL value is inflated, it’s not like we don’t see it every single draft or anything where we’re one of a small handful of teams not valuing OL on the same scale as everyone else thus NEVER upgrading the unit

 

[rossihunter2]

Oh I’m aware of what the draft is for and what happens when you exclusively draft for need, I just don’t think it has to be so rigid that you can never address your teams weaknesses to get over the hump and if a player is a first round talent that will be a huge net upgrade for your team then you can lighten up on the value argument. You’re not putting all your eggs in that basket, there just ain’t shit out there for OL and quality ones rarely hit the market and the cupboard is bare everywhere, so in the draft OL value is inflated, it’s not like we don’t see it every single draft or anything where we’re one of a small handful of teams not valuing OL on the same scale as everyone else thus NEVER upgrading the unit

is that true though about us undervaluing OL?
or is it just that we've been consistently at the bottom of the round and missed out on the OL run?

2024: 9 OL were picked before we picked at 30 - the 10th guy was not worth reaching on (not picked until 44) - we picked RR in round 2
2023: 4 OL were picked before we picked at 22 - are you picking Anton Harrison or Steve Avila over Zay Flowers (the only other 2 OL remotely in the conversation)
2022: we picked Tyler Linderbaum at 25 (btw next OL wasn't taken until 51)

doesnt seem like we're out of lockstep with how the rest of the NFL values OL, just seems like they get taken earlier than we normally get a shot at them - and that they're perfectly willing to draft OL (including IOL) when they're there if the grade is good enough

who did you want the ravens to go after that makes you say they are rigid in their approach? Other than maybe Josh Simmons last year?

if they don't pick Vega, it's not because they don't value OL, it's because they don't value Vega

why are we getting a potentially underwhelming G at 14 when we might have a shot at a premier player at a different position: in 2026 that might be WR, LB, CB (would be my best guess)

 

[Argentina Raven]

I thought Simmons was a sure thing; he was the best player overall, maybe just too many external signs.

But he, Egbuka, or Campbell were my favorite players in the draft.

I mean, Starks was the best safety in the draft, but he wasn't a standout player.
I didn't like that pick; I just hope Minter can develop him.

 

[JoeyFlex5]

is that true though about us undervaluing OL?
or is it just that we've been consistently at the bottom of the round and missed out on the OL run?

2024: 9 OL were picked before we picked at 30 - the 10th guy was not worth reaching on (not picked until 44) - we picked RR in round 2
2023: 4 OL were picked before we picked at 22 - are you picking Anton Harrison or Steve Avila over Zay Flowers (the only other 2 OL remotely in the conversation)
2022: we picked Tyler Linderbaum at 25 (btw next OL wasn't taken until 51)

doesnt seem like we're out of lockstep with how the rest of the NFL values OL, just seems like they get taken earlier than we normally get a shot at them - and that they're perfectly willing to draft OL (including IOL) when they're there if the grade is good enough

who did you want the ravens to go after that makes you say they are rigid in their approach? Other than maybe Josh Simmons last year?

if they don't pick Vega, it's not because they don't value OL, it's because they don't value Vega

why are we getting a potentially underwhelming G at 14 when we might have a shot at a premier player at a different position: in 2026 that might be WR, LB, CB (would be my best guess)

They get taken earlier because they’re highly valued, meaning the guys we might not consider to be late first rounders, are actually late first rounders because their value is inflated, we just won’t adjust our scale of OL value.

Years past there hasn’t been a guy available late first, but in 2025, if ioane is the highest OL on the board, then we’re in range to upgrade our OL which we desperately need, in other years he would be off the board before we’re on the clock, so you might think Vega is more of a mid to late 20s kinda talent, but the league would disagree when he gets taken late teens/early 20s. So if we do nothing in FA/trade to upgrade our OL, then this is our chance to do it. We could try waiting until 45 but odds are we are gonna miss the boat by then.

So, if we follow this arbitrary value scale, we are finally in range to upgrade the OL in this world where their value is massively inflated and you have no choice but to overinvest, or we could continue trotting out a dogshit OL but that’s all good because we got a highly graded prospect at some low value position that we don’t even need.

This isn’t like when we took Hamilton, Wiggins, or zay, where the value aligned perfectly with needs. This would be blatantly chasing “value” over soundly building our roster, it’s trusting the system more than just doing what needs done.

I’m also not pounding the table for him at 14, I’m just saying that if that’s the pick then it’s obviously gonna look like a great pick to 99% of people, because for once you put aside the “I’m the master of finding value everywhere” rep and instead just made a classic roster building decision, even if it’s not the best value based on an arbitrary scale that’s different for everyone, it could very well be the best decision.

And if you’re able to add a guard in FA or trade then all of this is moot because the whole point is the OL needs an upgrade and it’s probably the absolute most pressing need

 

[rossihunter2]

They get taken earlier because they’re highly valued, meaning the guys we might not consider to be late first rounders, are actually late first rounders because their value is inflated, we just won’t adjust our scale of OL value.

Years past there hasn’t been a guy available late first, but in 2025, if ioane is the highest OL on the board, then we’re in range to upgrade our OL which we desperately need, in other years he would be off the board before we’re on the clock, so you might think Vega is more of a mid to late 20s kinda talent, but the league would disagree when he gets taken late teens/early 20s. So if we do nothing in FA/trade to upgrade our OL, then this is our chance to do it. We could try waiting until 45 but odds are we are gonna miss the boat by then.

So, if we follow this arbitrary value scale, we are finally in range to upgrade the OL in this world where their value is massively inflated and you have no choice but to overinvest, or we could continue trotting out a dogshit OL but that’s all good because we got a highly graded prospect at some low value position that we don’t even need.

This isn’t like when we took Hamilton, Wiggins, or zay, where the value aligned perfectly with needs. This would be blatantly chasing “value” over soundly building our roster, it’s trusting the system more than just doing what needs done.

I’m also not pounding the table for him at 14, I’m just saying that if that’s the pick then it’s obviously gonna look like a great pick to 99% of people, because for once you put aside the “I’m the master of finding value everywhere” rep and instead just made a classic roster building decision, even if it’s not the best value based on an arbitrary scale that’s different for everyone, it could very well be the best decision.

And if you’re able to add a guard in FA or trade then all of this is moot because the whole point is the OL needs an upgrade and it’s probably the absolute most pressing need

my point being, none of the other teams thought the guys we didnt take (other than josh simmons) were worth taking near our picks either...

hamilton wasn't a need when we took him
wiggins was nowhere near the biggest need on the team when we took him

if OG is BPA when we pick then sure we should take him
i just dont think Vega's going to be BPA when we pick - my issue is entirely with taking Vega at 14 and not with taking a guard at 14

 

[JoeyFlex5]

my point being, none of the other teams thought the guys we didnt take (other than josh simmons) were worth taking near our picks either...

hamilton wasn't a need when we took him
wiggins was nowhere near the biggest need on the team when we took him

if OG is BPA when we pick then sure we should take him
i just dont think Vega's going to be BPA when we pick - my issue is entirely with taking Vega at 14 and not with taking a guard at 14

Hamilton was a generational prospect and we all knew it, and we had Marcus Williams and a bunch of rotational guys.

CB wasn’t the biggest need but it was still a need, we had Humphrey and Stephens at the time.

Other than edge, there wasn’t a position group on the team you could argue was as bare as our OL is currently. We’re at a breaking point on the OL right now.

You’re saying BPA and what I’m saying is BPA means jack shit when your qb is injured because year after year you’ve neglected your OL and this is a rare opportunity to get a legitimate first round G, what does it matter if he is considered better value 10 picks later? A first round G when you have a franchise qb who can’t play because of how bad his guards are, is just as good at 14 as he is at 24.

 

[rossihunter2]

Hamilton was a generational prospect and we all knew it, and we had Marcus Williams and a bunch of rotational guys.

CB wasn’t the biggest need but it was still a need, we had Humphrey and Stephens at the time.

Other than edge, there wasn’t a position group on the team you could argue was as bare as our OL is currently. We’re at a breaking point on the OL right now.

You’re saying BPA and what I’m saying is BPA means jack shit when your qb is injured because year after year you’ve neglected your OL and this is a rare opportunity to get a legitimate first round G, what does it matter if he is considered better value 10 picks later? A first round G when you have a franchise qb who can’t play because of how bad his guards are, is just as good at 14 as he is at 24.

but we've also got other needs lol

TE is Mark Andrews and an empty room
WR is basically just Zay at this point
EDGE is a shitshow
CB is Nate Wiggins and a dream

OL, if we keep Linderbaum, is missing 1 projected starter for 2026 - not trying to argue that we don't need an upgrade at IOL but i also don't think it's clearly even the number 1 need on the team

it's a lot easier to find guards in the mid-to-late 20s (or later) than it is to find EDGE, WR, CB

 

[JoeyFlex5]

but we've also got other needs lol

TE is Mark Andrews and an empty room
WR is basically just Zay at this point
EDGE is a shitshow
CB is Nate Wiggins and a dream

OL, if we keep Linderbaum, is missing 1 projected starter for 2026 - not trying to argue that we don't need an upgrade at IOL but i also don't think it's clearly even the number 1 need on the team

it's a lot easier to find guards in the mid-to-late 20s (or later) than it is to find EDGE, WR, CB

If you have a season like you just had on the OL, your franchise qb is getting injured from it, and the cupboard is bare for both now and the future, that scale needs to slide some. Those positions won’t derail your season due to a qb injury or messing up your qbs internal clock.

TE is a low value position, even lower than G.

You have 2 first rounders at WR and one under contract, gotta just count on those guys unfortunately, you’ve made the investment there already.

No argument on edge, that’s the biggest hole on the roster, and equally important as the OL, but you’ll have a much easier time hitting on a G at 14 than an edge, they just don’t fall there without luck.

We’ve invested so heavily in the secondary that it’s really tough to swallow another first round db, but cb definitely is a need. One could easily argue cbs are easier to find than OL, because the draft is loaded with cbs and WRs every year but very slim pickings for OL and it’s been a long running trend.

 

[rossihunter2]

If you have a season like you just had on the OL, your franchise qb is getting injured from it, and the cupboard is bare for both now and the future, that scale needs to slide some. Those positions won’t derail your season due to a qb injury or messing up your qbs internal clock.

TE is a low value position, even lower than G.

You have 2 first rounders at WR and one under contract, gotta just count on those guys unfortunately, you’ve made the investment there already.

No argument on edge, that’s the biggest hole on the roster, and equally important as the OL, but you’ll have a much easier time hitting on a G at 14 than an edge, they just don’t fall there without luck.

We’ve invested so heavily in the secondary that it’s really tough to swallow another first round db, but cb definitely is a need. One could easily argue cbs are easier to find than OL, because the draft is loaded with cbs and WRs every year but very slim pickings for OL and it’s been a long running trend.

you literally just talked about the fact that we never get the chance to get an OL so you have to reach on one when you have the chance
but that's suddenly not true of EDGE because those guys never get there

i just think your thinking about positional value is so completely warped by the awful OG play we had last year that you're being irrational

there's a ton of OL in this class, not a ton of guys i'd take in R1 but loads on day 2 that i'd be very happy with
you have more than one way to fix holes in your roster and i think guards are a lot easier to find without the 14th pick if you're just looking for an upgrade (rather than an elite player)

if francis mauigoa is there then great, you pick him, you slot him in at RG and fantastic
if spencer fano is there then great, you pick him and you figure out where he's going to play when he gets in the building
i dont think any other OL factors in at 14 - not because they are guards, but because i dont think they're top 15 prospects

and while it's hard to find LTs outside of R1, there's been a lot of talented OL drafted outside of R1 the last few years, especially on day 2:
2025: 9 of the 11 OL drafted on day 2 are either already starters or projected starters in year 2
2024: 11 of the 16 OL drafted on day 2 are currently starters
2023: 7 of the 9 OL drafted on day 2 are currently starters
2022: 7 of the 11 OL drafted on day 2 are currently starters

on top of the day 2 guys there are numerous day 3 OL the last 4 years who've turned into starters:
Rasheed Walker, Christian Mahogany, Layden Robinson, Daniel Faalele, Marcus Mbow, Jamaree Salyer, Andrew Vorhees to name some of the more notable ones

i'm not saying don't draft a guy at 14 if he's BPA, but i'm also saying that you don't need to reach on a guard at 14 because it's highly possible to get one later in the draft and through free agency

 

[Grim]

you literally just talked about the fact that we never get the chance to get an OL so you have to reach on one when you have the chance
but that's suddenly not true of EDGE because those guys never get there

i just think your thinking about positional value is so completely warped by the awful OG play we had last year that you're being irrational

there's a ton of OL in this class, not a ton of guys i'd take in R1 but loads on day 2 that i'd be very happy with
you have more than one way to fix holes in your roster and i think guards are a lot easier to find without the 14th pick if you're just looking for an upgrade (rather than an elite player)

if francis mauigoa is there then great, you pick him, you slot him in at RG and fantastic
if spencer fano is there then great, you pick him and you figure out where he's going to play when he gets in the building
i dont think any other OL factors in at 14 - not because they are guards, but because i dont think they're top 15 prospects

and while it's hard to find LTs outside of R1, there's been a lot of talented OL drafted outside of R1 the last few years, especially on day 2:
2025: 9 of the 11 OL drafted on day 2 are either already starters or projected starters in year 2
2024: 11 of the 16 OL drafted on day 2 are currently starters
2023: 7 of the 9 OL drafted on day 2 are currently starters
2022: 7 of the 11 OL drafted on day 2 are currently starters

on top of the day 2 guys there are numerous day 3 OL the last 4 years who've turned into starters:
Rasheed Walker, Christian Mahogany, Layden Robinson, Daniel Faalele, Marcus Mbow, Jamaree Salyer, Andrew Vorhees to name some of the more notable ones

i'm not saying don't draft a guy at 14 if he's BPA, but i'm also saying that you don't need to reach on a guard at 14 because it's highly possible to get one later in the draft and through free agency

I think the bigger problem that’s being danced around is our OL scouting hasn’t been very good. You can look at how we did when we drafted WRs and weren’t very good. I think we’re kinda in a similar spot atm with OL and EDGE. We have had some successes though, so it’s not quite that terrible, but I think Joey is trying to overcompensate for bad drafting and potentially coaching.

I think we just have to do better at both before we reach on prospects due to need, since “need” is always extremely subjective and varies year to year and even potentially game to game if not throughout the season itself.

I’m less concerned about OL than I am EDGE. That’s because we have guys like Rosengarten, Emory Jones, Vinson, Bullock and Stanley. It’s not a bad group and could be very good with new OL coaching. We certainly need more depth and starters competition but it’s not god awful although Linderbaum is a big question mark moving the needle depending on his outcome

At EDGE we have Adissa Issac, Mike Green and Tavius Robinson

 

[rossihunter2]

I think the bigger problem that’s being danced around is our OL scouting hasn’t been very good. You can look at how we did when we drafted WRs and weren’t very good. I think we’re kinda in a similar spot atm with OL and EDGE. We have had some successes though, so it’s not quite that terrible, but I think Joey is trying to overcompensate for bad drafting and potentially coaching.

I think we just have to do better at both before we reach on prospects due to need, since “need” is always extremely subjective and varies year to year and even potentially game to game if not throughout the season itself.

I’m less concerned about OL than I am EDGE. That’s because we have guys like Rosengarten, Emory Jones, Vinson, Bullock and Stanley. It’s not a bad group and could be very good with new OL coaching. We certainly need more depth and starters competition but it’s not god awful although Linderbaum is a big question mark moving the needle depending on his outcome

At EDGE we have Adissa Issac, Mike Green and Tavius Robinson

i disagree
i think the development has been poor and we've not invested enough day 2 picks in the OL

which is the same issue we used to have with WRs - it wasnt that we necessarily sucked at drafting them, it's that we'd invested basically no capital into the position - which i do understand is sort of what joey's saying

notable that i'm not sure the ravens have missed on R1 or R2 guys at OL maybe in their entire history as a franchise...

EDGE is in a much worse spot in terms of drafting and developing - the EDGE pipeline of day 2 and 3 guys getting drafted and then getting us comp picks and then drafting their replacement has basically dried up - Matt Judon was basically the last guy like that and when they overcompensated because those guys havent been hitting, the guys they've "over-drafted" were Jaylon Ferguson (RIP), Odafe Oweh, David Ojabo (injury), Adisa Isaac and now Mike Green - that's not a great list... then again most teams drafting where the ravens have are in similar dire straits at EDGE (e.g. Bills, Chiefs, Eagles etc.) - the difference is the Bills and Eagles have been spending money at the position to try and counteract the fall-off

at OL if you re-sign Linderbaum, you're looking at 4/5 of your OL being set for 2026 already before you even get to free agency where you might sign a cheap vet to add competition and if you then go and get a day 2 OL, you're looking at a much stronger group without having to overdraft Olaivavega Ioane at 14

 

[Deebo813]

is that true though about us undervaluing OL?
or is it just that we've been consistently at the bottom of the round and missed out on the OL run?

2024: 9 OL were picked before we picked at 30 - the 10th guy was not worth reaching on (not picked until 44) - we picked RR in round 2
2023: 4 OL were picked before we picked at 22 - are you picking Anton Harrison or Steve Avila over Zay Flowers (the only other 2 OL remotely in the conversation)
2022: we picked Tyler Linderbaum at 25 (btw next OL wasn't taken until 51)

doesnt seem like we're out of lockstep with how the rest of the NFL values OL, just seems like they get taken earlier than we normally get a shot at them - and that they're perfectly willing to draft OL (including IOL) when they're there if the grade is good enough

who did you want the ravens to go after that makes you say they are rigid in their approach? Other than maybe Josh Simmons last year?

if they don't pick Vega, it's not because they don't value OL, it's because they don't value Vega

why are we getting a potentially underwhelming G at 14 when we might have a shot at a premier player at a different position: in 2026 that might be WR, LB, CB (would be my best guess)

Ive been thinking about this lately and man we were able to avoid some busts lol

 

[UPennChem]

but we've also got other needs lol

TE is Mark Andrews and an empty room
WR is basically just Zay at this point
EDGE is a shitshow
CB is Nate Wiggins and a dream

OL, if we keep Linderbaum, is missing 1 projected starter for 2026 - not trying to argue that we don't need an upgrade at IOL but i also don't think it's clearly even the number 1 need on the team

it's a lot easier to find guards in the mid-to-late 20s (or later) than it is to find EDGE, WR, CB

Yes. This roster kinda blows. Usually I'd be like SB or bust but I think that's entirely unfair for Minter in year 1 given how shit this roster is.

Harbs blew all of the good rosters

 

[Grim]

i disagree
i think the development has been poor and we've not invested enough day 2 picks in the OL

which is the same issue we used to have with WRs - it wasnt that we necessarily sucked at drafting them, it's that we'd invested basically no capital into the position - which i do understand is sort of what joey's saying

notable that i'm not sure the ravens have missed on R1 or R2 guys at OL maybe in their entire history as a franchise...

EDGE is in a much worse spot in terms of drafting and developing - the EDGE pipeline of day 2 and 3 guys getting drafted and then getting us comp picks and then drafting their replacement has basically dried up - Matt Judon was basically the last guy like that and when they overcompensated because those guys havent been hitting, the guys they've "over-drafted" were Jaylon Ferguson (RIP), Odafe Oweh, David Ojabo (injury), Adisa Isaac and now Mike Green - that's not a great list... then again most teams drafting where the ravens have are in similar dire straits at EDGE (e.g. Bills, Chiefs, Eagles etc.) - the difference is the Bills and Eagles have been spending money at the position to try and counteract the fall-off

at OL if you re-sign Linderbaum, you're looking at 4/5 of your OL being set for 2026 already before you even get to free agency where you might sign a cheap vet to add competition and if you then go and get a day 2 OL, you're looking at a much stronger group without having to overdraft Olaivavega Ioane at 14

What do you mean by “enough day 2 picks in OL”?

I did check this using some AI data analysis. It was an interesting point made, one I didn't quite expect. I'll put the raw data here but we have invested in OL as Day 1 or Day 2 picks in 3 of the last 4 Drafts.

2025 Draft (11 picks)​

• Round 1: S
• Round 2: OLB/EDGE
• Round 3: OT
• Round 4: LB
• Round 5: OT
• Round 6: CB, K, WR, DL, CB
• Round 7: OL

2024 Draft (9 picks)​

• Round 1: CB
• Round 2: OT
• Round 3: EDGE
• Round 4: WR, CB
• Round 5: RB
• Round 6: QB
• Round 7: C, S

2023 Draft (6 picks)​

• Round 1: WR
• Round 2: No pick
• Round 3: LB
• Round 4: EDGE
• Round 5: CB
• Round 6: OT
• Round 7: G

2022 Draft (10 picks)​

• Round 1: S, C
• Round 2: EDGE
• Round 3: DT
• Round 4: OT, CB, TE, P, TE, CB
• Round 5: No pick
• Round 6: RB
• Round 7: No pick

Now looking at the cumulative of the average draft round

Average Draft Round by Position​

Position	Avg Round Drafted	What it Means
EDGE	2.8	Premium priority position
WR	3.7	Early-mid investment when needed
S	3.0	Will take early if value falls
LB	3.5	Core defensive identity pick
TE	4.0	Classic Ravens mid-round TE factory
CB	4.3	Quantity + development model
DL (IDL)	4.5	Rotational depth drafting
OL	4.7	Frequent but rarely premium picks
RB	5.5	Replaceable position philosophy
QB	6.0	Backup/lottery only

The average OL score goes down due to the late-round OL picks made in 4 of the last 4 drafts.

 

[rossihunter2]

Yes. This roster kinda blows. Usually I'd be like SB or bust but I think that's entirely unfair for Minter in year 1 given how shit this roster is.

Harbs blew all of the good rosters

i think this roster is pretty close to turning it back around with a good draft and better coaching

 

[rossihunter2]

What do you mean by “enough day 2 picks in OL”?

I did check this using some AI data analysis. It was an interesting point made, one I didn't quite expect. I'll put the raw data here but we have invested in OL as Day 1 or Day 2 picks in 3 of the last 4 Drafts.

2025 Draft (11 picks)​

• Round 1: S
• Round 2: OLB/EDGE
• Round 3: OT
• Round 4: LB
• Round 5: OT
• Round 6: CB, K, WR, DL, CB
• Round 7: OL

2024 Draft (9 picks)​

• Round 1: CB
• Round 2: OT
• Round 3: EDGE
• Round 4: WR, CB
• Round 5: RB
• Round 6: QB
• Round 7: C, S

2023 Draft (6 picks)​

• Round 1: WR
• Round 2: No pick
• Round 3: LB
• Round 4: EDGE
• Round 5: CB
• Round 6: OT
• Round 7: G

2022 Draft (10 picks)​

• Round 1: S, C
• Round 2: EDGE
• Round 3: DT
• Round 4: OT, CB, TE, P, TE, CB
• Round 5: No pick
• Round 6: RB
• Round 7: No pick

Now looking at the cumulative of the average draft round

Average Draft Round by Position​

Position	Avg Round Drafted	What it Means
EDGE	2.8	Premium priority position
WR	3.7	Early-mid investment when needed
S	3.0	Will take early if value falls
LB	3.5	Core defensive identity pick
TE	4.0	Classic Ravens mid-round TE factory
CB	4.3	Quantity + development model
DL (IDL)	4.5	Rotational depth drafting
OL	4.7	Frequent but rarely premium picks
RB	5.5	Replaceable position philosophy
QB	6.0	Backup/lottery only

The average OL score goes down due to the late-round OL picks made in 4 of the last 4 drafts.

yes frequent picks but low investment
expand beyond 2022

Day 1/2 picks made at OL since 2019:
Tyre Phillips (pick 106)
Ben Cleveland (pick 94)
Roger Rosengarten (pick 62)
Emery Jones (pick 91)

in 7 drafts that's 5 picks out of 25
if i make the cutoff pick 85 (which is when i'd reasonably expecting to be getting an actual day 2 talent who might start in year 1) then it's 2 out of 15 (3/17 if i go up to 91 to arbitrarily include Jones)

really what im talking about is R2 investments ultimately (given how late the ravens are normally picking) but this year that would include the Ravens R3 pick

 

[Grim]

yes frequent picks but low investment
expand beyond 2022

Day 1/2 picks made at OL since 2019:
Tyre Phillips (pick 106)
Ben Cleveland (pick 94)
Roger Rosengarten (pick 62)
Emery Jones (pick 91)

in 7 drafts that's 5 picks out of 25
if i make the cutoff pick 85 (which is when i'd reasonably expecting to be getting an actual day 2 talent who might start in year 1) then it's 2 out of 15 (3/17 if i go up to 91 to arbitrarily include Jones)

really what im talking about is R2 investments ultimately (given how late the ravens are normally picking) but this year that would include the Ravens R3 pick

Ah yes. Generally our Round 2 has just been flat. I think it’s a round we need to do better

 

[rossihunter2]

Ah yes. Generally our Round 2 has just been flat. I think it’s a round we need to do better

combination of factors:
fewer picks in the round than you'd expect (since 2018 we've only made 4 2nd round picks... that's only 4 in 8 drafts)
late picks in the round (only 1 pick, until this year's, has been in the top 55)
bad luck (JK Dobbins injury, Ojabo re-injury - that's half the 2nd round picks we've made in the last 8 years)
chasing fallers (JK 1st round talent fell because RB, Ojabo fell because of injury, Green fell because of off-field)

and as we were talking about... not drafting enough OL on day 2

the positions with the highest hit rates in R2:
IOL, LB, DB, OT, WR

the positions with the highest hit rates in R3:
IOL, TE, LB

OL is by far the strongest hit-rate position in day 2 (possibly partly because there's more starting spots for OL in the NFL tbf)

 

[Simba]

I have no qualms about us taking BPA. What I do have a problem with is taking BPA and then having no resources left to fill the hole once it never lines up for the draft. Feels like we've gotten a little away from the idea of heading into the draft with no holes and we bank on the board falling our way. When it doesn't, that's when we find ourselves in trouble.

 

[Deebo813]

Yes. This roster kinda blows. Usually I'd be like SB or bust but I think that's entirely unfair for Minter in year 1 given how shit this roster is.

Harbs blew all of the good rosters

Agreed.