The Forty, the Fumble, and the Fucking Déjà Vu

[UPennChem]

No wants to hear it because they can't get beyond their biases, but Vorhees and Rosengarten had far worse nights than Faalele

Yes. However LG, RG, and RT all sucked.

 

[Baltimorican]

Yes. However LG, RG, and RT all sucked.

It gets glazed over because we put up 40 but the OLine has me way more worried than the defense or ST. Defense is going to be awesome, the 4th qtr will be a blip, ST is off to a good start considering all the turnover in personnel imo. But that OLine, especially if Rosengarten has an unexpected down year is something that can wreck your season in a hurry. OLine lay like that against a good but not great Buffalo front will get Lamar killed.

 

[JoeyFlex5]

It gets glazed over because we put up 40 but the OLine has me way more worried than the defense or ST. Defense is going to be awesome, the 4th qtr will be a blip, ST is off to a good start considering all the turnover in personnel imo. But that OLine, especially if Rosengarten has an unexpected down year is something that can wreck your season in a hurry. OLine lay like that against a good but not great Buffalo front will get Lamar killed.

It was basically Ed Oliver taking over the game at the end, Ed Oliver is a guy who has been on the border of elite for years and on any given day he can find that little extra and take over a game, which he did.

I too am concerned big time about the OL, but also Buffalo has a better front than I think you’re giving credit for.

The defense on the other hand, with all the resources we’ve absolutely DUMPED into it, should not look like it did, it’s completely inexcusable

 

[Tank]

No wants to hear it because they can't get beyond their biases, but Vorhees and Rosengarten had far worse nights than Faalele

It's going to take some time for this group to gel while facing live bullets. Training camp is so restricted anymore these guys don't really get a good feel for what's to come. I think they will be fine with some meaningful reps together.

 

[OURavensFan]

I don’t know. “Easy” and “tough” are only relative to expectations and last year results. On paper it looks like it but it’s hard to say how those teams really are until EoY.

I also wouldn’t be surprised if their divisional opponents stole some wins. Jets specifically could do it. Vrabel is now running the show in NE and he could also beat them as well, depending. We will see what happens

The Jets let A Rod throw 4 TDs, the Phish got blown out by the Daniel Jones Colts, the Patriots lost at home to the god damn Raiders. Their division isn’t doing shit. Easiest schedule in the league, even if we won the 1 seed was gonna be tough. Fuck their division

 

[OURavensFan]

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Some of these are exaggerations but I’ll allow it for the memes

 

[OURavensFan]

Idek anymore man. Tired of this shit

At least your 49ers won. Purdy with the classic should have been INT into a TD.

 

[JAAM]

At least your 49ers won. Purdy with the classic should have been INT into a TD.

Fuckin trash ass Sam Darnold

 

[rossihunter2]

Some huge positives on my end:

Rodger rose looked pretty great. We never even discussed a sophomore slump because we'd be fucked if it happens but he's looking like an absolute steal. He created a lot of holes and held up well against a heavy blitzing opportunistic team

Chidobe looked really good on his snaps at corner. Pass rush played a top 3 line with a top 2 hardest qb to sack and will only get better.

Loop had a ton of kicks down the middle. Pretty good first game. Starks looked good. Hamilton looked like a dpoy if his body holds up from his tossing self tackles

just watched some of the film

RR did not have a great game at all, in fact he probably had the most issues in this game of any of the ravens OL
OL generally did well, although Ed Oliver had some huge plays against them

Stanley looked great, Linderbaum did fine with a tough assignment, Vorhees and Faalele were fine and RR had a bit of a struggle

 

[rossihunter2]

Early in the game?

early-ish
guessing he got chewed out on the sidelines for losing his rush lane and that might have changed how he played the rest of the game

 

[rossihunter2]

I too am concerned big time about the OL, but also Buffalo has a better front than I think you’re giving credit for.

Buffalo is up there with the Eagles for best OL/DL combo in the league

 

[JoeyFlex5]

early-ish
guessing he got chewed out on the sidelines for losing his rush lane and that might have changed how he played the rest of the game

I think I know exactly the play you’re talking about he had a hell of a rush but Allen just stepped right on up and nullified it

 

[Varkcus]

I don’t know. “Easy” and “tough” are only relative to expectations and last year results. On paper it looks like it but it’s hard to say how those teams really are until EoY.

I also wouldn’t be surprised if their divisional opponents stole some wins. Jets specifically could do it. Vrabel is now running the show in NE and he could also beat them as well, depending. We will see what happens

Bills have dominated those teams for years, the Bills might lose 1 out of those 6 games. None of those teams will finish over .500

 

[Deebo813]

Unless you have great inside pressure along with good outside… its dam near impossible to stop guys like lamar, josh and pat.

 

[allblackraven]

I feel like the actual Ravens problem is getting lost in all the discussion and dissection of individual players' snaps (good or bad). With all that's happened, we had a 40-25 lead against the good team, away, several minutes before the final whistle. As we know, all too well, not for the first time and, until the problem is fixed, it won't be the last.

 

[Truth]

I feel like the actual Ravens problem is getting lost in all the discussion and dissection of individual players' snaps (good or bad). With all that's happened, we had a 40-25 lead against the good team, away, several minutes before the final whistle. As we know, all too well, not for the first time and, until the problem is fixed, it won't be the last.

I feel like the most frustrating aspect from the coaching and leadership standpoint is that each time appears to be treated in isolation. The media answer to whether or not these letups are an issue is that they're not connected, which I understand to say publicly. But it feels like John Harbaugh genuinely believes that. Which is why he's seen dumbfounded in the same fashion in each of these comebacks. That, to me, is the most inexcusable aspect, because we're seemingly going through the same motions that lead to the same result. Which is an exercise in futility. I hope it's being discussed behind the scenes. Whether it's hiring a sports psychologist or making an effort to address it among the players. If it's a taboo topic, it will only help further the trend.

 

[Simba]

I feel like the most frustrating aspect from the coaching and leadership standpoint is that each time appears to be treated in isolation. The media answer to whether or not these letups are an issue is that they're not connected, which I understand to say publicly. But it feels like John Harbaugh genuinely believes that. Which is why he's seen dumbfounded in the same fashion in each of these comebacks. That, to me, is the most inexcusable aspect, because we're seemingly going through the same motions that lead to the same result. Which is an exercise in futility. I hope it's being discussed behind the scenes. Whether it's hiring a sports psychologist or making an effort to address it among the players. If it's a taboo topic, it will only help further the trend.

This is my biggest concern. We're far past the "shit happens" stage. It's the same thing over and over again - coaches panicking and your best players making mistakes at critical moments. They can say that they're going to fix it all they want but it's far past the time to see it actually happen. New team, new coaches, new players... it hasn't mattered. It's a problem.

 

[Baltimorican]

It was basically Ed Oliver taking over the game at the end, Ed Oliver is a guy who has been on the border of elite for years and on any given day he can find that little extra and take over a game, which he did.

I too am concerned big time about the OL, but also Buffalo has a better front than I think you’re giving credit for.

The defense on the other hand, with all the resources we’ve absolutely DUMPED into it, should not look like it did, it’s completely inexcusable

I think Buffalo is a good, top ten dLine with one elite player in Oliver and some solid guys around him but not a ton of depth. Dunno how you would describe them but we will face better DLine's this year. The Oline struggled early and late and sometimes in between, thing is when they did string together some good reps in a row it was bam bam TD cuz that's all Henry & Lamar needed.

 

[JAAM]

John Harbaugh's 17 blown double digit leads in second half are most since at least 1991

-AP

 

[rmcjacket23]

I feel like the most frustrating aspect from the coaching and leadership standpoint is that each time appears to be treated in isolation. The media answer to whether or not these letups are an issue is that they're not connected, which I understand to say publicly. But it feels like John Harbaugh genuinely believes that. Which is why he's seen dumbfounded in the same fashion in each of these comebacks. That, to me, is the most inexcusable aspect, because we're seemingly going through the same motions that lead to the same result. Which is an exercise in futility. I hope it's being discussed behind the scenes. Whether it's hiring a sports psychologist or making an effort to address it among the players. If it's a taboo topic, it will only help further the trend.

This is my biggest concern. We're far past the "shit happens" stage. It's the same thing over and over again - coaches panicking and your best players making mistakes at critical moments. They can say that they're going to fix it all they want but it's far past the time to see it actually happen. New team, new coaches, new players... it hasn't mattered. It's a problem.

I do think some of them are isolated. I think to a certain extent every event is independent. Play calling, clock management, etc.... those are coaching failures that are consistent. Lack of execution by individual players... there's no "solution" for that. The only viable solution is to change the player. And I don't see a lot of people suggesting we should cut Henry for fumbling, even though to a certain extent, that's what "accountability" looks like.

And I've seen the same stats as anybody else. Most double digit blown leads in 2nd half in like three decades. Most double digit leads blown in the 4th quarter pretty much ever. The thing with those stats is that they also lack the simple context of... you have to be up by that amount to blow the lead. A lot of coaches would blow 4th quarter leads, but their teams are never good enough to have big 4th quarter leads. It's the same argument as like "well I'd rather be 4-0 in Superbowls than 4-3". Dumbest fucking shit ever. I'd rather be the guy who fails more with more opportunities to fail. That means I was good enough to have the opportunity.

I think a change at HC MAY be the solution, but with a change in HC becomes a change in philosophy. Offensive, defensive, etc. I think there's a lot of fans who are like "o well just swap out the HC and keep everything else the same". Rarely does that ever happen. You bring in Belichick tomorrow, and Orr and Monken are gone, and in comes McDaniel and Patricia. Is that better? No idea. Maybe better. Maybe fuck ton worse. These aren't "his players", so he's going to try to obtain the guys he wants. Same concept for literally any other HC that comes in.