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The Andrews, the Defense, and the Blocking

Simba said:
Finishing up some film review (not as exhaustive as normal) and I really think we need to move to more man coverage. Dudes look lost out there in zone. And the way teams are playing against it, it really looks like they see the same issues on film and are exploiting it. Watched them run a play where they had Roquan in a tornado before the lane they wanted opened up. Decoy routes underneath to open up the intermediate with relative ease.

I said it week 1 as well, and this just furthers my thoughts. I understand the concept of zone and what it theoretically brings, but the man coverage reps seem so much more natural to the personnel (maybe not Marlon this week). Let guys go out there and win or lose battles as opposed to this dink and dunk down the field where we can't stop shit.
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It's all about communication and knowing what each other is thinking. Just like last year I think it will improve with reps with the new pieces.
 
Tank said:
It's all about communication and knowing what each other is thinking. Just like last year I think it will improve with reps with the new pieces.
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I feel like I'd be much more in tune with that line of thinking if the bulk of the guys getting caught in a blender weren't the same guys that were on the team last year. Roquan, Marlon, Kyle, and Nate have all had issues. Awuzie is probably the cleanest player top to bottom that holds coverage responsibilities and he's new to the team.
 
I didnt wanna fall for the trap but it did actually look like lamar couldve legit avoided some sacks by simply running in those wide open lanes and tbh, josh allen wouldve done exactly did. Lamar has what it takes to win but i feel josh allen does whatever it takes to win. Not saying lamar doesnt, but i think he in his on head at times
 
Deebo813 said:
I didnt wanna fall for the trap but it did actually look like lamar couldve legit avoided some sacks by simply running in those wide open lanes and tbh, josh allen wouldve done exactly did. Lamar has what it takes to win but i feel josh allen does whatever it takes to win. Not saying lamar doesnt, but i think he in his on head at times
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Who cares what Josh Allen wouldn't have done? The defense gave up 224 yards rushing and 4 rushing TD's
 
Deebo813 said:
I didnt wanna fall for the trap but it did actually look like lamar couldve legit avoided some sacks by simply running in those wide open lanes and tbh, josh allen wouldve done exactly did. Lamar has what it takes to win but i feel josh allen does whatever it takes to win. Not saying lamar doesnt, but i think he in his on head at times
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We need to have a game where Lamar can play as insignificant of a role as Allen did against us in the playoffs, if we have a top 3 roster it should almost be possible every week but Lamar has to play lights out
 
The Cheifs have only scored above 30 x2 since 2024, if they do so and Orr isn’t fired by Monday afternoon then this is not a serious team
 
Truth said:
When Zach Orr was on the active roster, I felt that his fundamentals during his playing days were by far his biggest negative. The only article I've ever written was an honest breakdown of those concerns after his Pro-Bowl nod in 2016. And that was done mostly because I was worried that the perception of the success would mean that those issues wouldn't be fixed. He sadly did not have a chance to show his growth thereafter because of the career ending injury. But he was at least able to ride off into the sunset on a positive note.

I don't believe in needing to have played at a high level, or even really at all, in order to be a successful coordinator. However, my immediate concern after his hiring was that we could have a tough time with building a unit predicated on discipline and fundamentals if he did not see his own missteps. And you could forgive someone for looking at how they prepared themselves based on the accolades and statistics and structure their coaching plan similarly. But that would also be the easiest way to unknowingly repeat the same mistakes. No one can teach what they don't know. And with how insanely undisciplined our players have looked, it is hard for me to not see this as a verification of those intial concerns.
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I remember him not only having the most tackles mostly due to CJ Moseley, but also having the most missed tackles on the team. I absolutely remember your article.
 
This defense sucks ass. Offense needs to stop being cute with the taking the ball out of Lamar's hands in the redzone.

We need to score as much as possible. The O-line isn't holding to get Henry going so we are going to have to throw the ball quicker. We have the receivers to do it in Zay, Bate, and Wallace (who is a YAC guy)

I really like what I am seeing from Walker by the way.
 
Simba said:
Finishing up some film review (not as exhaustive as normal) and I really think we need to move to more man coverage. Dudes look lost out there in zone. And the way teams are playing against it, it really looks like they see the same issues on film and are exploiting it. Watched them run a play where they had Roquan in a tornado before the lane they wanted opened up. Decoy routes underneath to open up the intermediate with relative ease.

I said it week 1 as well, and this just furthers my thoughts. I understand the concept of zone and what it theoretically brings, but the man coverage reps seem so much more natural to the personnel (maybe not Marlon this week). Let guys go out there and win or lose battles as opposed to this dink and dunk down the field where we can't stop shit.
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die on your sword when it's this bad
it's hard to be worse than they are right now so at least if you play more man it's more about just pure ability vs schematics
 
OURavensFan said:
The Cheifs have only scored above 30 x2 since 2024, if they do so and Orr isn’t fired by Monday afternoon then this is not a serious team
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Deebo813 said:
I didnt wanna fall for the trap but it did actually look like lamar couldve legit avoided some sacks by simply running in those wide open lanes and tbh, josh allen wouldve done exactly did. Lamar has what it takes to win but i feel josh allen does whatever it takes to win. Not saying lamar doesnt, but i think he in his on head at times
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in that 2nd half he looked like he had some happy feet for the first time since 2021
feels like an innate reaction to how little he trusts his OL right now
 
rossihunter2 said:
die on your sword when it's this bad
it's hard to be worse than they are right now so at least if you play more man it's more about just pure ability vs schematics
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That's where I'm at with it. I'd rather a guy loses a battle every now and then vs. the whole squad losing the war.

They just seem very uncomfortable out there in zone. Heads on a swivel constantly, and not projecting a lot of confidence that they know what they're doing.
 
Simba said:
That's where I'm at with it. I'd rather a guy loses a battle every now and then vs. the whole squad losing the war.

They just seem very uncomfortable out there in zone. Heads on a swivel constantly, and not projecting a lot of confidence that they know what they're doing.
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at least it means the offence has to "earn it"
 
gtalk12 said:
Who cares what Josh Allen wouldn't have done? The defense gave up 224 yards rushing and 4 rushing TD's
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To state the obvious controlling the ball and keeping the offense on the field gives the other team less chances. I'm not saying the D shouldn't have done better, but this was another game where we were on the wrong end of the TOP.
 
rossihunter2 said:
in that 2nd half he looked like he had some happy feet for the first time since 2021
feels like an innate reaction to how little he trusts his OL right now
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That's what I thought about the 2nd half as well. A lot the escapism didn't have the planning that it normally does. Agreed on the latter as well.
 
Tank said:
To state the obvious controlling the ball and keeping the offense on the field gives the other team less chances. I'm not saying the D shouldn't have done better, but this was another game where we were on the wrong end of the TOP.
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So in my opinion, in the Lions game, it had nothing to do with the offense. Long term, what's becoming clear is that this offense is more of a "big play" offense than it may ever has been, which means explosive plays usually lead to scoring quicker with less TOP. So the defense will likely need to adjust to that.

In the Lions game, I don't really see the "tired" defense issue.:
First drive of the game the Lions went 67 yards on 11 plays for a TD.
Second TD was off a 18 play, 98 yard drive that lasted nearly 11 minutes. This was early second quarter, and the Lions had the ball for about 8 minutes in the first quarter, so they weren't "tired".
Third TD drive was a 7 play, 60 yard drive, mid-third quarter, in which the Ravens had a long, lengthy drive for a TD before that. Essentially the defense hadn't played a snap in like over 30 minutes of "real time" when they gave up that drive.

You could argue the 4th TD in early 4th quarter could be due to "fatigue", considering we went 3 and out right before, but the 3rd and 4th TD drives for the Lions lasted last than 4 minutes each. They were explosive play, big yardage drives.

I fully think the final TD drive to go up 38-24 was fatigue driven, but that's sort of game over already. Wasn't needed.

Bottom line for me... there was at least three, long TD drives the defense gave up that had nothing to do with what the offense did before them. They couldn't argue fatigue. They just get bullied.
 
Sandtown said:
I think Orr should just be Orr.I think the problem with Ravens fans is that Mike McDonald had such a great year in 2023 to the point the expectation was for Orr to be just as good or better even though honestly I can't give Mike McDonald the full credit when it comes to the 2023 season because I highly think Anthony Weaver and Dennard Wilson played a hand into the success of the defense that year. Maybe Orr might be ask to step down as the defensive coordinator if the defense continue to struggle but it was never realistic to expect him to Mike McDonald or Mike -lite. Hopefully he figures it out because I think he's a smart guy.
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Well, Orr being Orr is great but we're losing games that the OFF is putting up 30 points. That is inexcusable - particularly so as it has happened twice in three games this year already. If it happens again, and it certainly possible this week in KC, then something has to give. I'd like to see the guy succeed too, but they looked out of position and very slow to adjust in two losses and were not without errors in the win either. They look sloppy and that has to be on Orr, despite the personnel.
 
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