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The Injuries, the Defense and the Offense (and the Special Teams)

After sleeping on it though, I do think things are dire right now. Injuries obviously hurt, but how we respond this week is critical. Do we woe is me this thing and wither away into nothing or do we come out pissed off and show that we're still a force to be reckoned with? If the seats aren't on fire for some guys (coaching staff and players), then they're definitely smoking at least.

Two games until a bye which would be the best time to make a move, but the performance yesterday was so pathetic that it wouldn't surprise me if a head rolls before then.
 
Simba said:
After sleeping on it though, I do think things are dire right now. Injuries obviously hurt, but how we respond this week is critical. Do we woe is me this thing and wither away into nothing or do we come out pissed off and show that we're still a force to be reckoned with? If the seats aren't on fire for some guys (coaching staff and players), then they're definitely smoking at least.

Two games until a bye which would be the best time to make a move, but the performance yesterday was so pathetic that it wouldn't surprise me if a head rolls before then.
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They should've come out pissed playing a team that has bounced them from the playoffs. A team they can't seem to beat and get criticized for. This should of been enough motivation for them to come out angry... but we saw a team that looks dejected, deflated, she'll shocked, unprepared etc...
This looks like a team that doesn't fight for eachother or the coach.
 
Florida Raven Fan said:
They should've come out pissed playing a team that has bounced them from the playoffs. A team they can't seem to beat and get criticized for. This should of been enough motivation for them to come out angry... but we saw a team that looks dejected, deflated, she'll shocked, unprepared etc...
This looks like a team that doesn't fight for eachother or the coach.
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But they did come out of the gate on fire, looked good on offense drove for a TD. Held the Chiefs to a FG. Then the inexplicable, bone headed mistakes on offense began to pile up, and injuries on D. Both together just seemed to take the air out of the team.
 
Florida Raven Fan said:
They should've come out pissed playing a team that has bounced them from the playoffs. A team they can't seem to beat and get criticized for. This should of been enough motivation for them to come out angry... but we saw a team that looks dejected, deflated, she'll shocked, unprepared etc...
This looks like a team that doesn't fight for eachother or the coach.
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This game just showed me we’re never beating the Chiefs, I’m not sure what it is but we can’t play defense and we can’t impose our will on offense. Coaches panic. We had the run game working and we abandoned it to get Lamar killed who has been awful this season not taking checkdowns and taking sacks instead.
 
Tank said:
But they did come out of the gate on fire, looked good on offense drove for a TD. Held the Chiefs to a FG. Then the inexplicable, bone headed mistakes on offense began to pile up, and injuries on D. Both together just seemed to take the air out of the team.
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This. They can beat them, and we've seen them beat them a few years back by being aggressive and wanting the win. For some reason over the last few years though, we make a mistake and can never recover. Everyone top to bottom goes into panic mode and abandons what was working. This team just melts under pressure. It's wild.
 
Simba said:
This. They can beat them, and we've seen them beat them a few years back by being aggressive and wanting the win. For some reason over the last few years though, we make a mistake and can never recover. Everyone top to bottom goes into panic mode and abandons what was working. This team just melts under pressure. It's wild.
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That is the ultimate flaw with this iteration of the Ravens.

When they face adversity the team panics and goes away from what makes them great. That normally manifests itself in abandoning the run in the playoffs. It happens every single time and it is a complete failure of coaching.
 
LSURavenFan said:
I also think there's something to be said for EDC getting to finally pick "his" coach.

It's still early, but there's cracks iun the foundation
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EDC isn't John's boss. Steve is. Steve picks the next HC if that time comes. EDC would get input, but they work in tandem with each other.
 
Simba said:
After sleeping on it though, I do think things are dire right now. Injuries obviously hurt, but how we respond this week is critical. Do we woe is me this thing and wither away into nothing or do we come out pissed off and show that we're still a force to be reckoned with? If the seats aren't on fire for some guys (coaching staff and players), then they're definitely smoking at least.

Two games until a bye which would be the best time to make a move, but the performance yesterday was so pathetic that it wouldn't surprise me if a head rolls before then.
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At 1-3, comically, we're not even close to dead in the division. Nobody thinks Pittsburgh is good.
If we lose to Houston, I'm trading assets and calling it a day. Houston does literally nothing well offensively and you can run on them. Not only should it be a win, it should be a statement win.
Post-bye, you could win every game until Christmas. Even with this team. Will be favored in every single one and there's not that many tough QBs to face either.
 
UKRaven1827 said:
That is the ultimate flaw with this iteration of the Ravens.

When they face adversity the team panics and goes away from what makes them great. That normally manifests itself in abandoning the run in the playoffs. It happens every single time and it is a complete failure of coaching.
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That's where I'm at. I've long been a proponent that the coaches can't help when a player blows an assignment or makes a poor decision or simply gets beat. That stuff happens. But our complete failure to persevere in those moments is where I can't help but point the finger at coaching. We're so mentally weak.
 
rmcjacket23 said:
At 1-3, comically, we're not even close to dead in the division. Nobody thinks Pittsburgh is good.
If we lose to Houston, I'm trading assets and calling it a day. Houston does literally nothing well offensively and you can run on them. Not only should it be a win, it should be a statement win.
Post-bye, you could win every game until Christmas. Even with this team. Will be favored in every single one and there's not that many tough QBs to face either.
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That's what's wild - this thing is far from over yet next week is still so dire. Like you said, if we can't beat them even with whatever injuries we have, it might be time to throw in the towel. And it pains me to say that knowing there are still 12 games left after that, but I have 0 trust in the mental fortitude of this team.
 
Simba said:
That's what's wild - this thing is far from over yet next week is still so dire. Like you said, if we can't beat them even with whatever injuries we have, it might be time to throw in the towel. And it pains me to say that knowing there are still 12 games left after that, but I have 0 trust in the mental fortitude of this team.
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I can say confidently that IF we throw in the towel, Oweh is the first guy we're trading. In a game where we missed our entire Dline, Van Noy, and had no pass rush, he played less than 50% of the defensive snaps. Which has been a recurring theme.
Seems like the team is done with him.
 
Simba said:
This. They can beat them, and we've seen them beat them a few years back by being aggressive and wanting the win. For some reason over the last few years though, we make a mistake and can never recover. Everyone top to bottom goes into panic mode and abandons what was working. This team just melts under pressure. It's wild.
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To be fair I was saying this under Roman and even in Monken's first year. It was obvious. We've been a finesse team under Lamar. And that's not a bad thing in and of itself. But it's a death sentence when you're a finesse team with mentally weak coaches primarily and also players
 
rmcjacket23 said:
I can say confidently that IF we throw in the towel, Oweh is the first guy we're trading. In a game where we missed our entire Dline, Van Noy, and had no pass rush, he played less than 50% of the defensive snaps. Which has been a recurring theme.
Seems like the team is done with him.
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To his defense… Zach Orr got this man dropping into coverage.

Maybe Marcus Williams was right when he said “wtf kind of defense is this?”
 
rmcjacket23 said:
I can say confidently that IF we throw in the towel, Oweh is the first guy we're trading. In a game where we missed our entire Dline, Van Noy, and had no pass rush, he played less than 50% of the defensive snaps. Which has been a recurring theme.
Seems like the team is done with him.
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I mean who wouldn't be?
 
UPennChem said:
To be fair I was saying this under Roman and even in Monken's first year. It was obvious. We've been a finesse team under Lamar. And that's not a bad thing in and of itself. But it's a death sentence when you're a finesse team with mentally weak coaches primarily and also players
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They also collectively bet on Lamar to bail them out. And that's not always a bad thing either - you want your best player making plays. But at the same time, you can't ignore some of the lunacy that got us to the point where we needed Lamar to make a play to save the day.

It just feels like it's all coming to a head now. Defensive woes, an incredibly shaky OL, and now the injury bug is hitting. Lamar is still human at the end of the day and it seems like they've hedged all of their bets on one guy being the savior.
 
Simba said:
They also collectively bet on Lamar to bail them out. And that's not always a bad thing either - you want your best player making plays. But at the same time, you can't ignore some of the lunacy that got us to the point where we needed Lamar to make a play to save the day.

It just feels like it's all coming to a head now. Defensive woes, an incredibly shaky OL, and now the injury bug is hitting. Lamar is still human at the end of the day and it seems like they've hedged all of their bets on one guy being the savior.
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