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The Injuries, the Defense and the Offense (and the Special Teams)

JO_75 said:
The real question is... does EDC have a job for life or has there been discussions about how the team has been built, compared to teams like the Eagles who built their team from the trenches out. Seeing that basically be ignored while other teams do it, and with great success when we play them has to be a concern.
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DeCosta is at no risk. He's built some of the best teams in the league the last few years and this one year isn't going to trump that.

It could be so, so, so much worse than DeCosta.
 
Simba said:
DeCosta is at no risk. He's built some of the best teams in the league the last few years and this one year isn't going to trump that.

It could be so, so, so much worse than DeCosta.
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It's a matter of perspective. Decosta wants this "we're always viable" via money-ball approach. There are more aggressive GMs which produce variance over a decade. Then there's EDC who is basically uniform year over year and that level is below SB quality.

Committing to EDC is committing to making the playoffs but not winning a SB.
 
Simba said:
My guy said he'd never say no to something earlier, but it sounds like some coaches have until the bye to get things worked out or they're likely to make a move. Applies mostly to Orr.
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If they moved from Orr, who would they even promote? Is Chuck even willing to step in as DC due to his health?
 
Simba said:
DeCosta is at no risk. He's built some of the best teams in the league the last few years and this one year isn't going to trump that.

It could be so, so, so much worse than DeCosta.
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Ugh... bring in someone from the Eagles front office and let them rebuild our trenches. If we are going to copy anyone, it's the Eagles. Maybe Lions too.
 
UPennChem said:
It's a matter of perspective. Decosta wants this "we're always viable" via money-ball approach. There are more aggressive GMs which produce variance over a decade. Then there's EDC who is basically uniform year over year and that level is below SB quality.

Committing to EDC is committing to making the playoffs but not winning a SB.
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We didn't lose the last 2 years because the team wasn't talented enough

This year is probably the first one in a long time where that is the case
 
rmcjacket23 said:
I'm not sure what running Henry 15-20x in the second half, when you're down 17, is going to do for you. An 8 minute scoring drive isn't going to do anything for a defense that can't stop anything.

It's same concept as always. Look in the first half and identify where that was an opportunity to run more. There weren't many. You spend a couple drives in either four or two minute drill, and the one drive you had a good chance to run the ball you took two delay of game penalties. 2nd and 15 ain't Derrick Henry time.

And I'm also perplexed with the infatuation of getting more touches to a guy who's clearly got a fumbling problem, and behind an Oline that has struggled to run block all year long.

There's "balance" to stop the D from pressuring, and then there's balance because you think it'll correlate to points.
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I think the goal was the former for this game. How about our multiple 3rd and shorts where we took Henry off the field and passed only to get blown up by another Spagnola blitz.

I’m usually one to agree that the run the damn ball critique is an easy out that ignores context, but I do think we stopped trying to run it too early. Lamar has got to work on his outlet game instead of taking sacks. Something is just off and it’s cascading now
 
Simba said:
We didn't lose the last 2 years because the team wasn't talented enough

This year is probably the first one in a long time where that is the case
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I get, and respect that opinion. I just think the results speak for themselves. At no point did EDC put the classic formula together. And at no point with 8 shots on goal have we won a SB. He's put together a lot of higher end rosters and that's why we've won a lot of games. But at no point were they good enough. 8 tries with Lamar Jackson is kind of a lot of tries!
 
rossihunter2 said:
what do you mean?
that's not true lol
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What I meant to say was that the Ravens only created turnovers this year against the Browns and haven't turned anyone else over since last year against the Browns.

Am I wrong?
 
JO_75 said:
The real question is... does EDC have a job for life or has there been discussions about how the team has been built, compared to teams like the Eagles who built their team from the trenches out. Seeing that basically be ignored while other teams do it, and with great success when we play them has to be a concern.
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It's hard to build our team with the draft capital we've had. Eagles got a ton of luck by being bad once and the dolphins being morons to overpay for tua or niners for tru can't recall - and then the giants over paying for kadirus tony.

Plus Jalen Carter killed someone and Georgia police let him off early cuz he plays for the drunk driving dawgs. Plus they came in with lane Johnson and a hof center already and got absurdly lucky on Jordan Malata.
Agreeded that they pour resources now days into cam jurgs, Nolan smith etc but outside of cam those aren't really the reason they are so dominate, they just got really lucky on there top 4 players
 
UPennChem said:
It's a matter of perspective. Decosta wants this "we're always viable" via money-ball approach. There are more aggressive GMs which produce variance over a decade. Then there's EDC who is basically uniform year over year and that level is below SB quality.

Committing to EDC is committing to making the playoffs but not winning a SB.
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you could argue that the 2023 and 2024 rosters were top 3 (if not top 1) in the league
 
Simba said:
We didn't lose the last 2 years because the team wasn't talented enough

This year is probably the first one in a long time where that is the case
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and on paper it looked like maybe it was even stronger than last year's...
but so many of the potential variances have landed close to the worst possible outcome...
 
gtalk12 said:
What I meant to say was that the Ravens only created turnovers this year against the Browns and haven't turned anyone else over since last year against the Browns.

Am I wrong?
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sure...
but we also forced a turnover in 14 of the 17 regular season games last year...

it's a bad stretch but to make it seem like last year was awful in terms of turnovers is a bit disingenuous given the browns game was the final regular season game of the year
 
purplepittabread88 said:
It's hard to build our team with the draft capital we've had. Eagles got a ton of luck by being bad once and the dolphins being morons to overpay for tua or niners for tru can't recall - and then the giants over paying for kadirus tony.

Plus Jalen Carter killed someone and Georgia police let him off early cuz he plays for the drunk driving dawgs. Plus they came in with lane Johnson and a hof center already and got absurdly lucky on Jordan Malata.
Agreeded that they pour resources now days into cam jurgs, Nolan smith etc but outside of cam those aren't really the reason they are so dominate, they just got really lucky on there top 4 players
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they've got the best OL coach in the league too
 
UPennChem said:
I get, and respect that opinion. I just think the results speak for themselves. At no point did EDC put the classic formula together. And at no point with 8 shots on goal have we won a SB. He's put together a lot of higher end rosters and that's why we've won a lot of games. But at no point were they good enough. 8 tries with Lamar Jackson is kind of a lot of tries!
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But it was not because our roster was inferior
 
Deebo813 said:
All pretty weird to me.. started out well with henry but then we stopped using him very early.. we extended bateman but dont even target him as much! Lamar seems like he dont wanna run and wants to prove a point by passing even with open lanes.. i think its all been a mental thing with him tbh
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Henry had 4 carries at half time. Ridiculous. He should have close to 10 carries at least at that point
 
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