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JoeyFlex5 said:
Isn’t Mike Mac the first successful HC to come out of harbaughs staff? If I’m remembering this correctly, then you just don’t have enough head coaches coming out of Baltimore to even have a harbaugh tree. At the rate it’s going, Macdonald is going to be the father of his own coaching tree.

The defensive philosophy that makes MM head coach material, is his and his alone, it’s not harbaugh’s, if it was harbaugh’s then his teams wouldn’t suck so bad at running the scheme without Mike Mac on the sidelines. Mac built this scheme, mastered it, and used it to great success across many teams at every level, and harbaugh tried to replicate it with his own pick at DC and failed so badly it got him fired.

If the defensive coaches coming up that are running Mac’s defense, do so successfully, then it will in fact be Mike Macdonald’s coaching tree built on his X’s and O’s, all harbaugh did was hire him and use his scheme.

To have your own coaching tree, you gotta have a system in place that is the foundation of “why this coach will make our team competitive” and coaches will bring that system with them to new jobs. Harbaugh has no such system, he was a manager.
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Man, you went deeper into this “coaching tree” thing then was the intention of my comment. Yours is a way more restrictive definition than what I was thinking.

Having a great scheme/system, offensive or defensive, can be valuable to a HC. But having the knowledge and abilities to coordinate and maximize the efforts of a team(coaches and players) is the main requirement. Mikey joined Harbaugh’s staff as an intern and learned from the bottom up the way to run a football team as a whole, how to build a winning culture, the primary job of a HC. Hopefully Jesse can be just as effective managing a team in Baltimore as Mikey has been so far in Seattle.
 
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rossihunter2 said:
technically macdonald's defence comes from the wink martindale tree

it developed out of that restructure of the defence with Wink in 2018 that was re-imagined with Wink, Macdonald, Minter (notable those 2 assistants were involved in the redesign) and designed with and around the strengths of CJ Mosley, Eric Weddle and Terrell Suggs

wink obviously ran it very differently with lots of aggression and overload blitzes but the structure of that defence is what macdonald and minter have iterated on - they've just refined it to be more about the way you teach and structure the playcalls and the pressure packages with the modular teaching and emphasised sim pressures and rotating coverages vs wink's all-out aggression

if people want to argue that because it came out of the ravens during harbaugh's tenure and because it evolved out of existing ravens defensive systems that it's a harbaugh defence then they can argue that but in terms of the actual schematics, it's more wink's than his
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Sim pressures and positionless fronts is definitely where Wink’s imprint was made, but his style flamed out very quickly without Mac and minter to design and coach the part of the scheme that allows your fronts to get home.

So far it seems like only Mac and Minter have been able to pull this off and they are both head coaches now.

And really if you wanna go this route, Dean pees brought the seeds from NE and planted them here a long time ago, the sim pressures, rotating coverages, and hybrid looks were a Pees staple, wink came in and put that system on steroids and then Mac refined it for the modern era. Only one who’s made it really work long term has been these 2 guys.

I really think Mike Mac is the father of this coaching tree we’re about to see over the next decade.
 
JoeyFlex5 said:
Sim pressures and positionless fronts is definitely where Wink’s imprint was made, but his style flamed out very quickly without Mac and minter to design and coach the part of the scheme that allows your fronts to get home.

So far it seems like only Mac and Minter have been able to pull this off and they are both head coaches now.

And really if you wanna go this route, Dean pees brought the seeds from NE and planted them here a long time ago, the sim pressures, rotating coverages, and hybrid looks were a Pees staple, wink came in and put that system on steroids and then Mac refined it for the modern era. Only one who’s made it really work long term has been these 2 guys.

I really think Mike Mac is the father of this coaching tree we’re about to see over the next decade.
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Well Mac had a player that Wink never had. Hamilton.
 
If we somehow still end up with Mike McDaniel as our offensive coordinator, he likely would only be here one year because I believe he will get a head coach opportunity again. If this happens since he is biracial, we would get two 3rd round compensatory picks.
 
Tank said:
Man, you went deeper into this “coaching tree” thing then was the intention of my comment. Yours is a way more restrictive definition than what I was thinking.

Having a great scheme/system, offensive or defensive, can be valuable to a HC. But having the knowledge and abilities to coordinate and maximize the efforts of a team(coaches and players) is the main requirement. Mikey joined Harbaugh’s staff as an intern and learned from the bottom up the way to run a football team as a whole, how to build a winning culture, the primary job of a HC. Hopefully Jesse can be just as effective managing a team in Baltimore as Mikey has been so far in Seattle.
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So harbaugh taught a brilliant defensive mind how to be middle management material and that means he’s under harbaugh’s nonexistent coaching tree
 
rossihunter2 said:
technically macdonald's defence comes from the wink martindale tree

it developed out of that restructure of the defence with Wink in 2018 that was re-imagined with Wink, Macdonald, Minter (notable those 2 assistants were involved in the redesign) and designed with and around the strengths of CJ Mosley, Eric Weddle and Terrell Suggs

wink obviously ran it very differently with lots of aggression and overload blitzes but the structure of that defence is what macdonald and minter have iterated on - they've just refined it to be more about the way you teach and structure the playcalls and the pressure packages with the modular teaching and emphasised sim pressures and rotating coverages vs wink's all-out aggression

if people want to argue that because it came out of the ravens during harbaugh's tenure and because it evolved out of existing ravens defensive systems that it's a harbaugh defence then they can argue that but in terms of the actual schematics, it's more wink's than his
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I could be wrong, but Wink learned with or came up under Rob and Rex Ryan.......

BEHOLD, I INTRODUCE TO YOU NOW THE RYAN TREE

Buddy Ryan
Rob and Rex
Wink
Minter McDonald
 
JoeyFlex5 said:
Sim pressures and positionless fronts is definitely where Wink’s imprint was made, but his style flamed out very quickly without Mac and minter to design and coach the part of the scheme that allows your fronts to get home.

So far it seems like only Mac and Minter have been able to pull this off and they are both head coaches now.

And really if you wanna go this route, Dean pees brought the seeds from NE and planted them here a long time ago, the sim pressures, rotating coverages, and hybrid looks were a Pees staple, wink came in and put that system on steroids and then Mac refined it for the modern era. Only one who’s made it really work long term has been these 2 guys.

I really think Mike Mac is the father of this coaching tree we’re about to see over the next decade.
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To me, he should've been fired on the spot if we had lost to the Bears. How you still gonna go with the all-out blitz and leave our bum ass 4th string CBs on an island like that?
 
JoeyFlex5 said:
Humphrey was playing at a DPOY level with Mac, Marcus peters was playing at a pro bowl level, and let’s not forget earl thomas was a guy Wink really pounded the table for in FA. He had resources himself
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he was all pro last year as well. It is why I think his fall off has a lot to do with Orr. Same with Marcus Williams for that matter.
 
gtalk12 said:
I could be wrong, but Wink learned with or came up under Rob and Rex Ryan.......

BEHOLD, I INTRODUCE TO YOU NOW THE RYAN TREE

Buddy Ryan
Rob and Rex
Wink
Minter McDonald
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I know what you are doing but lets fill this in

Buddy Ryan
Rex Ryan
Rob Ryan
Ray Rhodes
Mike Singletary
Ron Rivera
Wade Phillips
Leslie Frazier
Wink
Macdonald
Minter
 
JoeyFlex5 said:
Sim pressures and positionless fronts is definitely where Wink’s imprint was made, but his style flamed out very quickly without Mac and minter to design and coach the part of the scheme that allows your fronts to get home.

So far it seems like only Mac and Minter have been able to pull this off and they are both head coaches now.

And really if you wanna go this route, Dean pees brought the seeds from NE and planted them here a long time ago, the sim pressures, rotating coverages, and hybrid looks were a Pees staple, wink came in and put that system on steroids and then Mac refined it for the modern era. Only one who’s made it really work long term has been these 2 guys.

I really think Mike Mac is the father of this coaching tree we’re about to see over the next decade.
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I don’t think Macdonald is. I disagree with you here. I think both Minter and Macdonald did together. The only reason we say Macdonald is we saw him first hand do it here earlier than Minter. They only worked together when they were both here, otherwise they kinda always chased each other.

Neither was ahead of the other in terms of coaching. They seemed to either always be peers or simply working with each other
 
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