2026 Offseason Thread

[JoeyFlex5]

Waller was the 3rd TE drafted that season....unfortunately he wasn't great for us.

Nah, Todd heap

 

[redrum52]

I know you see the twitter war @UPennChem where delusional Bengals fans have managed to bring peace amongst the Ravens Bills and Chiefs communities lol

 

[UPennChem]

I know you see the twitter war @UPennChem where delusional Bengals fans have managed to bring peace amongst the Ravens Bills and Chiefs communities lol

Was this for me or for @OURavensFan ?

 

[redrum52]

Was this for me or for @OURavensFan ?

him... my fault

 

[UPennChem]

him... my fault

All good

 

[redrum52]

All good

was in the middle of this knicks beating and wasnt paying attention

 

[RavensMania]

Wr*

that's true, he only converted to TE later.

 

[RavensMania]

Nah, Todd heap

I know who you were talking about, I was just adding to the conversation.

 

[JO_75]

EVERYONE GET IN HERE! LAMAR JACKSON IS AT OTAS!

 

[gtalk12]

EVERYONE GET IN HERE! LAMAR JACKSON IS AT OTAS!

You're about to make me CAW

 

[redrum52]

EVERYONE GET IN HERE! LAMAR JACKSON IS AT OTAS!

Hes late and hes failed the team

 

[gtalk12]

Thank you Lamar. This is what it takes.

No we can GURANTEE that Andrews will show up in the playoffs for once, not drop a game tying pass, OR FUMBLE.

and now the defense will create turnovers.

Your center won't forget how to snap a ball


and you won't arm punt a ball in the 1st half

you also won't try to create like you usually do after a terrible snap

 

[JoeyFlex5]

Thank you Lamar. This is what it takes.

No we can GURANTEE that Andrews will show up in the playoffs for once, not drop a game tying pass, OR FUMBLE.

and now the defense will create turnovers.

Your center won't forget how to snap a ball


and you won't arm punt a ball in the 1st half

you also won't try to create like you usually do after a terrible snap

this is reductive

It’s more like now he’s there with his new teammates and coaching staff putting in the work, learning the new systems, setting the pace/tone/standard in this new regime, establishing a baseline with 2 rookie WRs and 2 rookie TEs as to what he expects from them in terms of timing and rhythm in practice and how to translate it to gameday

Presence and commitment matters. It’s an attitude thing, your leaders should be present and committed to doing all the same things your followers are doing.

 

[Tank]

this is reductive

It’s more like now he’s there with his new teammates and coaching staff putting in the work, learning the new systems, setting the pace/tone/standard in this new regime, establishing a baseline with 2 rookie WRs and 2 rookie TEs as to what he expects from them in terms of timing and rhythm in practice and how to translate it to gameday

Presence and commitment matters. It’s an attitude thing, your leaders should be present and committed to doing all the same things your followers are doing.

Not sure why this is so hard for some to understand. Pretty much every Ravens fan I know outside of here gets it.

 

[JoeyFlex5]

Not sure why this is so hard for some to understand. Pretty much every Ravens fan I know outside of here gets it.

They love Lamar so they excuse these things by creating their own narrative that this doesn’t matter. I also love Lamar but I don’t excuse halfassedness just because I’m a fan.

You can say correlation doesn’t equal causation but the qbs who beat him every postseason show up, at the bare minimum he should be putting in an equal amount of work that his rivals are putting in.

 

[Baltimorican]

I'm struggling to find who gets the targets this year. A clicking Doyle/Lamar offense should have 475-500 pass attempts. So..

Zay ~ 130 targets, everybody is expecting a huge year from him but at that size I just don't see how he can go north of that
Andrews ~ 70 targets, he hasn't had 70+ since 2022 and I don't think he just goes back to 100 sans Likely
Bate/Tez ~ 100 targets, 100 targets 65 rec for these two is about the best case scenario anybody can expect.

That's a very optimistic but realistic goals for your top 4 targets and it still leaves as many as 200 targets for basically a bunch of rookies. rb's and a career blocking TE.

Yeah, i don't see it. Unless one of the rooks come out of training camp looking like an immediate 50 catch dude, they're a vet short here.

 

[redrum52]

this is reductive

It’s more like now he’s there with his new teammates and coaching staff putting in the work, learning the new systems, setting the pace/tone/standard in this new regime, establishing a baseline with 2 rookie WRs and 2 rookie TEs as to what he expects from them in terms of timing and rhythm in practice and how to translate it to gameday

Presence and commitment matters. It’s an attitude thing, your leaders should be present and committed to doing all the same things your followers are doing.

Not sure why this is so hard for some to understand. Pretty much every Ravens fan I know outside of here gets it.

They love Lamar so they excuse these things by creating their own narrative that this doesn’t matter. I also love Lamar but I don’t excuse halfassedness just because I’m a fan.

You can say correlation doesn’t equal causation but the qbs who beat him every postseason show up, at the bare minimum he should be putting in an equal amount of work that his rivals are putting in.

Who's making excuses?


I think you all overestimate how much the qb is actually doing in these OTAs. You think hes going out there running these drills with the 10+ wrs on the roster? And he still gets together with skill players outside of these team activities. Hes had his failures but I could argue that Zay and Andrews fumbles were bigger back breakers. Not trying to excuse his errors but OTAs aren't changing those plays or getting our defense to start forcing TOs. Those OTAs also haven't gotten Allen over the hump or Burrow in the playoffs the last 3 years.

And despite missing these OTAs hes shown progress in his game every year

 

[rmcjacket23]

I'm struggling to find who gets the targets this year. A clicking Doyle/Lamar offense should have 475-500 pass attempts. So..

Zay ~ 130 targets, everybody is expecting a huge year from him but at that size I just don't see how he can go north of that
Andrews ~ 70 targets, he hasn't had 70+ since 2022 and I don't think he just goes back to 100 sans Likely
Bate/Tez ~ 100 targets, 100 targets 65 rec for these two is about the best case scenario anybody can expect.

That's a very optimistic but realistic goals for your top 4 targets and it still leaves as many as 200 targets for basically a bunch of rookies. rb's and a career blocking TE.

Yeah, i don't see it. Unless one of the rooks come out of training camp looking like an immediate 50 catch dude, they're a vet short here.

2024 Lamar threw it 475x. Flowers and Bateman combined for ~200 targets, so unless one of the rookies plays ahead of Bateman, I'd expect similar. In an offense with that much passing, I'd be putting Bateman around 75-80 targets alone. Those two I'd expect to see upwards of 40-45% total target share I would think.
TEs were about 25% target share in that season, so if Andrews has say 70, I'd expect another 40-50 from the rest of the TE group combined.
So that leaves something around 100 targets for your depth WRs and your RBs. Justice Hill had 50 targets in 2024. RBs combined for 70 targets last year.

So I'd be expecting something closer to:
Flowers: 125
Bateman: 80
TE Room: 120
RBs: 80
Depth WRs: 80-100

 

[rmcjacket23]

Who's making excuses?


I think you all overestimate how much the qb is actually doing in these OTAs. You think hes going out there running these drills with the 10+ wrs on the roster? And he still gets together with skill players outside of these team activities. Hes had his failures but I could argue that Zay and Andrews fumbles were bigger back breakers. Not trying to excuse his errors but OTAs aren't changing those plays or getting our defense to start forcing TOs. Those OTAs also haven't gotten Allen over the hump or Burrow in the playoffs the last 3 years.

And despite missing these OTAs hes shown progress in his game every year

I guess my questions would be:
1. If Lamar's teammates are at OTAs, then what is Lamar actually doing when he's not there?
2. What things can Lamar be doing when he's not at OTAs that would make him a better player instead of attending OTAs?

I'm not concerned about what happens outside of OTAs. We know he gets together with players. I'm just generally curious about the time allocation. Is he on vacation? Is he shooting commercials? Is he opening another dreadful fucking chicken shack?

 

[Baltimorican]

2024 Lamar threw it 475x. Flowers and Bateman combined for ~200 targets, so unless one of the rookies plays ahead of Bateman, I'd expect similar. In an offense with that much passing, I'd be putting Bateman around 75-80 targets alone. Those two I'd expect to see upwards of 40-45% total target share I would think.
TEs were about 25% target share in that season, so if Andrews has say 70, I'd expect another 40-50 from the rest of the TE group combined.
So that leaves something around 100 targets for your depth WRs and your RBs. Justice Hill had 50 targets in 2024. RBs combined for 70 targets last year.

So I'd be expecting something closer to:
Flowers: 125
Bateman: 80
TE Room: 120
RBs: 80
Depth WRs: 80-100

Bateman's career high is 72 targets, he's only crossed 60 twice. I think it's optimistic enough to pencil him for 60-65. But even as you drew it up, it's 10 targets /gm for Bateman/Tez/Sarrat/Lane. That number feels more like a season high than an average