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DeVito52 said:
Its kind of a funny popular opinion that Geno Smith is a terrible QB. Am i the only one who doesn't think hes trash? He has serious potential, and if you think otherwise you never really paid attention. His rookie year he took an absolutely atrocious team to 8 wins. That was all him. The beginning of his sophomore year Jeremy Kerley was yet again his #1 target, they had Eric Decker but he was constantly injured. The jets had a terrible team yet again, not even a good defense, and this time he couldn't carry the team. He was benched for Mike Vick after starting 1-7, but with his cast, and in only his second year, its understandable. Also, 6 of those 8 teams had winning records at the end of that season, including three 12-win teams. Vick didn't play any better and Geno started the last handful of games. And damn was he good. He had a 105.3 passer rating over his last 4 games, and it was his last stretch of legit game time since then. And just so happened to be the only games he played which he had actual starting recievers. 2015 his starting spot was taken thanks to a broken jaw, and fitz played great so he never got his job back. Tore his ACL in his first start in 2016.

Multiple players and coaches have praised Geno for being incredibly smart, very passionate, and having a high football IQ. Brandon Marshall specifically requested a trade to the Jets in 2015 because of Geno. So where does the narrative come from that Geno Smith is trash? You fault a kid for not playing amazingly in his first two years with an absolutely dreadful team? Id argue he overperformed. Theres a reason after his rookie campaign he was being discussed as their franchise QB.

I'm not saying Geno will ever amount to anything. But to call him trash is absolutely unfair. He very well could be the Jets starting QB right now if it wasn't for his broken Jaw and torn acl. He has great potential. He showed a lot of growth from his rookie year to the end of his 2nd season, but never given a chance after that. With this slate of QBs this year, he is absolutely starter quality. However, theres not a great chance he plays well with the Giants, considering they are utter trash.

Found this fun tid bit of info, wanna argue something about his inaccuracy or other flaws? Geno’s completion rate of 55.8% his rookie year surpassed the rookie campaigns of Drew Brees, Alex Smith, Andrew Luck, Matthew Stafford, and Eli Manning.

I will undoubtedly get crucified for this post. Thanks in advance.
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Geno had a horrible rookie year. You kidding me. They also had a pretty good defense that year. I don't think he started every game his 1st yr let alone his 2nd yr. You not very good if you keep getting benched.
 
Willbacker said:
Geno had a horrible rookie year. You kidding me. They also had a pretty good defense that year. I don't think he started every game his 1st yr let alone his 2nd yr. You not very good if you keep getting benched.
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He started every game his rookie year. Was only benched once in his second year. Mike Vick played worse than him, he came back 10x better at the end of the year.

Starting your argument with “I dont think” isn’t the best way to go. No facts. I guess you’re just looking at stats because he didn’t have a horrible rookie year. His rookie year he took a team projected to have 3 wins and led them to .500. He had 4 game winning drives that year with the 19th ranked defense, one of the worst offensive lines in the league, and probably the worst wide reciever core in the league. Oh yeah, and he was a rookie.
 
DeVito52 said:
He started every game his rookie year. Was only benched once in his second year.

I guess you’re just looking at stats because he didn’t have a horrible rookie year. His rookie year he took a team projected to have 3 wins and led them to .500. He had 4 game winning drives that year with the 19th ranked defense, one of the worst offensive lines in the league, and probably the worst wide reciever core in the league. Oh yeah, and he was a rookie.
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No I'm just going off memory but I've never thought of him as a good QB. I know Ferguson and Mangold were still on the line but the other 3 may have been atrocious lol.
 
Willbacker said:
No I'm just going off memory but I've never thought of him as a good QB. I know Ferguson and Mangold were still on the line but the other 3 may have been atrocious lol.
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He was absolutely set up to fail and he overachieved with that team going 8-8. I’m fairly positive he’d be a starter right now if it wasn’t for his broken jaw and torn acl in back to back years.
 
DeVito52 said:
He was absolutely set up to fail and he overachieved with that team going 8-8. I’m fairly positive he’d be a starter right now if it wasn’t for his broken jaw and torn acl in back to back years.
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Fairly positive is kind of like I don't think. :p
 
allblackraven said:
Doesn't have anything to do with the team - he is bad decision maker and careless with a ball.
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You’re basing this off his rookie year when he wasn’t supposed to be even playing, and wasn’t ready to play. Yet with a terrible cast still won them games. Wouldn’t surprise me at all if he does it again.

I’ll go back and tell you all the great QBs that looked mediocre in their first few years if you want. You gotta give the guys time to grow. And weapons are nice too. Geno won’t be great, but he can definitely be good.
 
DeVito52 said:
You’re basing this off his rookie year when he wasn’t supposed to be even playing, and wasn’t ready to play. Yet with a terrible cast still won them games. Wouldn’t surprise me at all if he does it again.

I’ll go back and tell you all the great QBs that looked mediocre in their first few years if you want. You gotta give the guys time to grow. And weapons are nice too. Geno won’t be great, but he can definitely be good.
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No, I'm basing this off everything he showed, which was another year after his rookie season.
 
This stat will make your butthole clench and make you shed a tear because pundits had this guy going to the Ravens in 2010-

Since entering the NFL in 2010, Rob Gronkowski leads the league with 74(!!!) touchdown catches. He has missed 25 games in that span...
 
This stat will make your butthole clench and make you shed a tear because pundits had this guy going to the Ravens in 2010-

Since entering the NFL in 2010, Rob Gronkowski leads the league with 74(!!!) touchdown catches. He has missed 25 games in that span...
 
So John Mara(Giants owner) said that the Giants are not tanking. But here's the kicker, he said he's not sure if Ben McAdoo will finish out the season as HC. Something tells me once the Raiders beat them, he is stuck in Oakland.
 
Willbacker said:
They made this mistake before and the Ravens/Steelers put on a show when they got flexed out. Wish I could remember all the details for you but this game is known to be a killer matchup. You also got a boatload of Steeler fans and our base is pretty big too. Look at all our overseas friends just on this forum. Just better ratings for this game imo.
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I watched the Xmas eve game last year on a royal Caribbean cruise ship. More ravens fans than Steelers in the room.
 
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