JO_75
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That said too, I do wonder how a fully guaranteed contract if it happened would change the NFL Landscape.
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That said too, I do wonder how a fully guaranteed contract if it happened would change the NFL Landscape.
allblackraven
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One thing is for sure - teams will have to do a lot more praying for players' good health.
JO_75
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The reported offer is only 3 years for $91M, I do wonder if fully guaranteed contracts would end the days of 5-6 year contract cap killers with players willing to take less knowing the contract is fully guaranteed. That also could be used as a nice bargaining chip in the next CBA where the Owners will approve fully guaranteed contracts in exchange for more player contact during the offseason and more practice.
the salary cap would have to change so that teams get cap relief from the nfl for injuries - or they get a couple of cap exemptions per year or something because otherwise you're gonna see players underperform and teams be stuck playing bad players and not keeping their own good players for multiple years
i really think something can be done - the english rugby premier league (obviously this is much smaller scale) but they get 1 marquee player who they can pay and it wont count against the salary cap - and if they have lots of injuries in a season (especially if its all at one position) they can get some cap relief to sign more emergency players (obviously that would have to be adjusted slightly)
im not sure what the situation should look like but perhaps using some of those exemption type cap rules would reduce the risk for nfl teams in terms of being stuck while also allowing fully guaranteed contracts to exist
allblackraven
Hall of Famer
There are serious implications on salary cap but there won't be too many players able to demand fully guaranteed + top dollar contracts, I think.
i think fully guaranteed contracts are only a matter of time tbh which is why i was talking about the salary cap having to change - i imagine at the next CBA there will have to be some serious thought about the construction of contracts and how they pay out and their relationship to the salary cap because fully guaranteed contracts are coming... and then they'll filter down to the smaller contracts...
JO_75
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Either way something was going to change, at least when it came to QB contracts. The way the QB contracts are inflating every year has got to stop, the more it inflates the more cap space taken up by a QB. I can see something where if the contract is fully guaranteed, then the cap hit is less opposed to a regular contract. Kinda like how the Franchise Tag costs more than the transition tag.
tbf to the players im not sure why it has to stop? they are severely underpaid with regards to other players in other sports especially given how disproportionately important qbs are to the success of their team in their sport
qbs are still underpaid but the salary cap keeps it that way
but yeah the artificial lowering of a fully guaranteed contract's cap hit would incentivise fully guaranteed contracts which the nflpa will like - and i imagine it might even get the support of owners who have winning organisations perennially stuck up against the salary cap...
JO_75
Hall of Famer
In a way, maybe they could work something out where a fully guaranteed contract would mean a cap hit discount of say $10M in year one, but in year two the team would only get a $5M discount on the cap. Using the rumored Cousins' contract, the Vikings can get a discount on the cap hit in the first two years but in a contract year the discount is gone. You still want to have that risk/reward of restructuring contracts, extending contracts to save money, the probability of cutting a guy. You still want all that and don't want to take it away completely but something where in a 3 year deal, the team can get a discount the first two years. Or if you have a 5-6 year deal, then a team can only get a discount for the first 3 years and then for years 4/5/6 you still have that risk of a player taking up cap space and making a decision on that player.
Yes, I think the next CBA, which I believe is 2020 or 21, will have some major changes.
the biggest things have got to be salary cap, practice time/extra time with younger players, discussion of larger rosters, contracts, and media money
balfan23
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I guess. I mean, it always depends on 2 things ... what do the owners want and how united will the players be. The players have been woefully disorganized and while their resolve may be somewhat improved, I just don't know if they will be united enough to stand up to the owners on key issues.
IMO - the quality of sporting leagues with respect to the fans (of mid to small market teams) is inversely proportional to the strength of the players union. MLB is a joke for anyone who is a fan of the AAAA franchises. Football is the complete opposite. Any team - if their organization is sound - can build a winner. That's the way I like it - that's the way I want it to stay.
The players were represented better when Gene Upshaw was alive.
So the Seahawks are definitely cleaning house a bit:
Sherman is expecting not to be a Seahawk this year
And they’ve just traded Bennett to the eagles for another player and swapping a 5th rounder and a 7th rounder... (I was sure he was going to the falcons tbh but certainly not the eagles given their lack of cap space)
I know earl Thomas is apparently staying but if he sees everyone leaving then he could try and force his way out
I think kam chancellor isn’t definitely coming back either
Sherman is expecting not to be a Seahawk this year
And they’ve just traded Bennett to the eagles for another player and swapping a 5th rounder and a 7th rounder... (I was sure he was going to the falcons tbh but certainly not the eagles given their lack of cap space)
I know earl Thomas is apparently staying but if he sees everyone leaving then he could try and force his way out
I think kam chancellor isn’t definitely coming back either
giants are sending 2 draft picks to the rams for alec ogletree
that makes me think that the giants are fairly sure they're trading back to recoup those picks... the giants now only have 5 picks in the 2018 draft as a whole so no way they arent trading back at this point - they truly must believe in eli because this smacks of a 'one last hurrah' kind of deal
EDIT: the terms are a 2018 4th and 6th going to the rams and a 2019 7th going back the other way
that leaves the giants with a 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 5th (not sure which 4th they gave up)
that makes me think that the giants are fairly sure they're trading back to recoup those picks... the giants now only have 5 picks in the 2018 draft as a whole so no way they arent trading back at this point - they truly must believe in eli because this smacks of a 'one last hurrah' kind of deal
EDIT: the terms are a 2018 4th and 6th going to the rams and a 2019 7th going back the other way
that leaves the giants with a 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 5th (not sure which 4th they gave up)
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DeVito52
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That’s a pretty nice move to get Ogletree by the Giants then.
i just cant get excited about a giants team with eli at qb