where are you hearing that?
ill laugh so hard if the giants pick bradley chubb at number 2
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where are you hearing that?
ill laugh so hard if the giants pick bradley chubb at number 2
Dom McRaven
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Well speaking of the Bills and Giants, apparently there could be a "massive" trade involving them and the Browns. I'm calling bullshit on this.
http://www.12up.com/posts/6034305-m...raft-picks-may-be-in-the-works/partners/40679
http://www.12up.com/posts/6034305-m...raft-picks-may-be-in-the-works/partners/40679
JO_75
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Why? They need an elite pass rusher for their new 3-4 defense. JPP is now in Tampa, it fits with what I've been saying. All reports say the Giants are choosing between Barkley or Chubb.
That's massive. So Browns move down to 2, acquire the 12th Pick from Buffalo, and Buffalo's first round pick in 2019. Giants move down to 4, and the Giants would also acquire the Bills pick at 22. That's very interesting and would shake up the draft for sure.
cdp
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I'm not sure this trade makes any sense for the Giants and the Browns.
Browns instead of picking 1st and 4th = 4800 points, they end up with 2 and 12 plus 1st 2019 ~4800
Giants 2nd = 2600, 4th and 22nd pick =2580
The Bills only have to 'pay' +/- 2980 points to get the 1st overall pick.
Too cheap esp. in this year's draft (top end talent & QBs, but mid-round talent drop of)
The deal makes no sense though - I could see a 3-way trade between the giants, colts and bills but I’m not sure the number 1 pick is likely to be on the table
Remember this ain’t sashi Brown in charge of the browns anymore
allblackraven
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Dwight Freeney - DL - Free Agent
Dwight Freeney announced his retirement from the NFL after 16 seasons.
He'll sign a one-day contract with the Colts so he can retire with the team that drafted him. Freeney will finish his career tied for 17th in league history with 125.5 sacks. Freeney, the No. 11 overall pick in 2002, spent his first 11 seasons with Indianapolis where he racked up 107.5 sacks. He also had stints with the Chargers, Cardinals, Falcons, Lions and Seahawks in the final years of his career, eventually finishing
Dwight Freeney announced his retirement from the NFL after 16 seasons.
He'll sign a one-day contract with the Colts so he can retire with the team that drafted him. Freeney will finish his career tied for 17th in league history with 125.5 sacks. Freeney, the No. 11 overall pick in 2002, spent his first 11 seasons with Indianapolis where he racked up 107.5 sacks. He also had stints with the Chargers, Cardinals, Falcons, Lions and Seahawks in the final years of his career, eventually finishing
Dwight Freeney - DL - Free Agent
Dwight Freeney announced his retirement from the NFL after 16 seasons.
He'll sign a one-day contract with the Colts so he can retire with the team that drafted him. Freeney will finish his career tied for 17th in league history with 125.5 sacks. Freeney, the No. 11 overall pick in 2002, spent his first 11 seasons with Indianapolis where he racked up 107.5 sacks. He also had stints with the Chargers, Cardinals, Falcons, Lions and Seahawks in the final years of his career, eventually finishing
He’s beginning his 5 year walk to the hall of fame
allblackraven
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Awesome player.
Per Jim Trotter: "49ers GM John Lynch says if charges are proven true that Reuben Foster struck a woman, “he won’t be a part of this organization going forward.” Says the organization needs more information at this moment. Adds no one is bigger than team."
JO_75
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Odd, they cut Tramaine Brock one day after he was arrested last year but will not cut Foster. Guess being a first round pick has its perks.
JO_75
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Speaking of players having legal trouble issues, the Raiders have signed former Eagles CB Daryl Worley who was arrested for driving under the influence, disorderly conduct-fighting and related offenses. He was tased by police after being combative against police, and promptly released by the Eagles after acquiring him in a trade for Torrey Smith.
Worley has now signed a deal with the Oakland Raiders.
what's being said?
i always thought they would - if the broncos and giants dont take qbs then id say the cardinals are the favourites to go up ahead of the dolphins to go and get one of the big 4/5
Ravensnation5220
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Antonio Callaway tested positive for weed at the combine
Bro....if Tim Williams could quit anyone can lol
Bro....if Tim Williams could quit anyone can lol
Some great compiled tidbits by Chris Wesseling on NFL.com
"Citing a source involved in team discussions, NFL Network's Steve Wyche echoed Ruiz's report, insisting Mayfield's name is "absolutely" on the Browns' radar. The reigning Heisman winner does have support in the war room, Wyche added, particularly from personnel consultant Scot McCloughan, formerly the Redskins general manager."
so one of the best talent evaluating nfl executives in recent history is backing baker mayfield - the browns are idiots because they are gonna ignore his voice and take allen or darnold - they would be the 2nd organisation in a row to under appreciate mccloughan if that's the case...
"NFL Network analyst Daniel Jeremiah recently acknowledged going back to the tape for a deeper study of Arkansas' Frank Ragnow, whose stock in rising in NFL war rooms.
"He seems to be a lock to go in the first round," Rapoport added on NFL Up to the Minute, "which is something if you told me two weeks ago I never would have believed it.""
That's interesting that he's considered a "lock" - could be baiting a team to go up and get him earlier than he should go but that would be weirdly specific as smoke screens go - so tentatively this feels like a real report - i think mayock has ragnow as 19th on his board so he's seemingly highly rated
i do hate the term "late riser" around this time though because prospects arent dramatically rising up nfl draft boards now - its just the media being slow to cotton onto them - same as mike mcglinchey last week (and the media is seemingly always slow on offensive linemen because they are harder to scout and less flashy for people who arent talent evaluators or spending time doing a lot of evaluating
"How disparate are the opinions on this year's draft class? Executive vice president Stephen Jones revealed Tuesday that the Cowboys have roughly 17 players rated as first-round prospects. This comes hours after 49ers general manager John Lynch put his war room's total at 30 first-round grades."
Interesting that the disparity is that large and I personally come down somewhere in the middle - i think ive got between 22-25 1st round grades (something like that) - but it speaks also to the massive disparity in the ways so many different opinions are coming down around the qb class - i think we're gonna see more trades than ever - in the article they specifically name drop the bills and cardinals as being interested in the 5th and 6th picks - if the giants take a non-qb and the browns stick at 4 i could most definitely see both the 5th and 6th picks being traded into by both those teams
"Citing a source involved in team discussions, NFL Network's Steve Wyche echoed Ruiz's report, insisting Mayfield's name is "absolutely" on the Browns' radar. The reigning Heisman winner does have support in the war room, Wyche added, particularly from personnel consultant Scot McCloughan, formerly the Redskins general manager."
so one of the best talent evaluating nfl executives in recent history is backing baker mayfield - the browns are idiots because they are gonna ignore his voice and take allen or darnold - they would be the 2nd organisation in a row to under appreciate mccloughan if that's the case...
"NFL Network analyst Daniel Jeremiah recently acknowledged going back to the tape for a deeper study of Arkansas' Frank Ragnow, whose stock in rising in NFL war rooms.
"He seems to be a lock to go in the first round," Rapoport added on NFL Up to the Minute, "which is something if you told me two weeks ago I never would have believed it.""
That's interesting that he's considered a "lock" - could be baiting a team to go up and get him earlier than he should go but that would be weirdly specific as smoke screens go - so tentatively this feels like a real report - i think mayock has ragnow as 19th on his board so he's seemingly highly rated
i do hate the term "late riser" around this time though because prospects arent dramatically rising up nfl draft boards now - its just the media being slow to cotton onto them - same as mike mcglinchey last week (and the media is seemingly always slow on offensive linemen because they are harder to scout and less flashy for people who arent talent evaluators or spending time doing a lot of evaluating
"How disparate are the opinions on this year's draft class? Executive vice president Stephen Jones revealed Tuesday that the Cowboys have roughly 17 players rated as first-round prospects. This comes hours after 49ers general manager John Lynch put his war room's total at 30 first-round grades."
Interesting that the disparity is that large and I personally come down somewhere in the middle - i think ive got between 22-25 1st round grades (something like that) - but it speaks also to the massive disparity in the ways so many different opinions are coming down around the qb class - i think we're gonna see more trades than ever - in the article they specifically name drop the bills and cardinals as being interested in the 5th and 6th picks - if the giants take a non-qb and the browns stick at 4 i could most definitely see both the 5th and 6th picks being traded into by both those teams
Ravensnation5220
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Damn good stuff. Tbh Ragnow did bully the hell outta Payne when they played each other. Ragnow is strong as hell. Watch him be the pick at 16 lmao
Tom Pellisserro compiling the league's general thoughts on qbs - the section on Josh Rosen is interesting:
Rosen's interviews confirmed his intelligence -- smarts that some compare to Peyton Manning's. The consensus, though not unanimous, remains that he's the most talented passer in the draft. As one scout who has done a lot of work on Rosen texted me Monday night, the Browns "need to do extreme due diligence to make sure he's not the one." No, Rosen won't be a personality fit for every team, and I found it telling in asking around that scouts seem higher on him than coaches. "To me, he's Jay Cutler and Jeff George. I just can't get past that in my head," a quarterbacks coach said. "I think he's going to do whatever he wants to do. I don't think he's going to listen to anybody. He always thinks he has the better answer, has the better way. Yeah, his film is really good. I just don't think he's going to mesh well with your team and do the things that you want him to do." Compare that to this assessment from one executive with a strong college scouting background who spent time with Rosen: "Smart. Mature. He was different than I expected him to be. I was really impressed with him. I think he has the makeup to be a good pro. He needs to be in the right situation with the right coach, the right team, because he'll ask a ton of questions." Some will take that dichotomy to mean coaches are insecure and sensitive about being challenged. Or maybe, as the QB coach countered, it's simply not conducive to success for a player at a leadership position to act like the smartest guy in the room. Several team officials mentioned former UCLA coach Jim Mora's comments that Rosen "needs to be challenged intellectually so he doesn't get bored" as a red flag. "The thing that bothers me with him is the concept that football's not the priority," an offensive coordinator said. "That drives me nuts. Because that's like taking somebody that you're going to bank your next 12 to 15 years on, and also at the same time, you're going to have to convince that guy that football's the most important thing in his life." Said the first scout: "Talent-wise, he should go No. 1. But at that position, you've got to be a real guy and you've got to be humble and do all the right stuff, and yeah, I think he's learning how to do that. And I think he's smart enough to figure that out."
this stuff pisses me off - clearly to me it seems like the league are finding reasons to not like him - and i do think its telling that coaches seem more down on him than evaluators - its not like his teammates at UCLA didnt like him or anything so i dont understand why his leadership capabilities are really questioned
the idea that him thinking he has the better answer is a problem is inane and stupid - coaches should be wanting to incorporate the ideas of their qbs into the offence and the idea around rosen is that he's always going to want to know why and ask questions about the scheme and the decisions he makes - the idea that thats a problem is stupid - that's going to make him a better qb and better able to read and audible at the LoS pre-snap and read the defence and understand why the team is doing certain things in certain spots - that's the kind of thing that would make me want him more
and the idea that players wouldnt like him because he 'acts like the smartest guy in the room' is only a problem if he actually "acts" like the smartest guy in the room - maybe he is the smartest guy in the room - that isnt a problem when it comes to veteran qbs so why is it a problem with Rosen
and this idea that football might not be his priority also seems stupid - he doesnt need football and he doesnt need to go through this process when teams are questioning him - yet he still does...
he didnt need to stand in the pocket and take the hits he did and take the concussions he did and throw to the corps he did but he still did because he evidently loves the game
he doesnt need the game and that's never been an issue before - look at peyton, eli, brady, rodgers - these guys didnt need to play football but they're great because they love the game and work at it and play it anyway
and this idea that football needs to be the number 1 thing in the life of a football player is a little weird too - outside interests ground you, family grounds you etc. that's not an issue for virtually every other player in the NFL - yes there are some who absolutely live and breathe football even during their time off but there are a majority of players who find other things to do and take other interests and build families and that's not a problem as long as they are committed but why does Rosen need "convincing" that football is the number 1 thing in his life - there's this idea that being intelligent automatically makes you incompatible with football and that because he has opinions on stuff outside of football that he's not focussed or committed - that's just stupid - people think about stuff and read about stuff all the time - id much rather a guy who thought about stuff intelligently than a guy who believes the earth is flat or dinosaurs never existed
rant over
TL;DR - for once i think the media is right and coaches (and scouts) are over reacting to absolutely nothing with regards to Josh Rosen - he's the best qb in the draft and he shouldnt be docked points because some coaches apparently have an inferiority complex over their intelligence with regards to being in the same room as him
Rosen's interviews confirmed his intelligence -- smarts that some compare to Peyton Manning's. The consensus, though not unanimous, remains that he's the most talented passer in the draft. As one scout who has done a lot of work on Rosen texted me Monday night, the Browns "need to do extreme due diligence to make sure he's not the one." No, Rosen won't be a personality fit for every team, and I found it telling in asking around that scouts seem higher on him than coaches. "To me, he's Jay Cutler and Jeff George. I just can't get past that in my head," a quarterbacks coach said. "I think he's going to do whatever he wants to do. I don't think he's going to listen to anybody. He always thinks he has the better answer, has the better way. Yeah, his film is really good. I just don't think he's going to mesh well with your team and do the things that you want him to do." Compare that to this assessment from one executive with a strong college scouting background who spent time with Rosen: "Smart. Mature. He was different than I expected him to be. I was really impressed with him. I think he has the makeup to be a good pro. He needs to be in the right situation with the right coach, the right team, because he'll ask a ton of questions." Some will take that dichotomy to mean coaches are insecure and sensitive about being challenged. Or maybe, as the QB coach countered, it's simply not conducive to success for a player at a leadership position to act like the smartest guy in the room. Several team officials mentioned former UCLA coach Jim Mora's comments that Rosen "needs to be challenged intellectually so he doesn't get bored" as a red flag. "The thing that bothers me with him is the concept that football's not the priority," an offensive coordinator said. "That drives me nuts. Because that's like taking somebody that you're going to bank your next 12 to 15 years on, and also at the same time, you're going to have to convince that guy that football's the most important thing in his life." Said the first scout: "Talent-wise, he should go No. 1. But at that position, you've got to be a real guy and you've got to be humble and do all the right stuff, and yeah, I think he's learning how to do that. And I think he's smart enough to figure that out."
this stuff pisses me off - clearly to me it seems like the league are finding reasons to not like him - and i do think its telling that coaches seem more down on him than evaluators - its not like his teammates at UCLA didnt like him or anything so i dont understand why his leadership capabilities are really questioned
the idea that him thinking he has the better answer is a problem is inane and stupid - coaches should be wanting to incorporate the ideas of their qbs into the offence and the idea around rosen is that he's always going to want to know why and ask questions about the scheme and the decisions he makes - the idea that thats a problem is stupid - that's going to make him a better qb and better able to read and audible at the LoS pre-snap and read the defence and understand why the team is doing certain things in certain spots - that's the kind of thing that would make me want him more
and the idea that players wouldnt like him because he 'acts like the smartest guy in the room' is only a problem if he actually "acts" like the smartest guy in the room - maybe he is the smartest guy in the room - that isnt a problem when it comes to veteran qbs so why is it a problem with Rosen
and this idea that football might not be his priority also seems stupid - he doesnt need football and he doesnt need to go through this process when teams are questioning him - yet he still does...
he didnt need to stand in the pocket and take the hits he did and take the concussions he did and throw to the corps he did but he still did because he evidently loves the game
he doesnt need the game and that's never been an issue before - look at peyton, eli, brady, rodgers - these guys didnt need to play football but they're great because they love the game and work at it and play it anyway
and this idea that football needs to be the number 1 thing in the life of a football player is a little weird too - outside interests ground you, family grounds you etc. that's not an issue for virtually every other player in the NFL - yes there are some who absolutely live and breathe football even during their time off but there are a majority of players who find other things to do and take other interests and build families and that's not a problem as long as they are committed but why does Rosen need "convincing" that football is the number 1 thing in his life - there's this idea that being intelligent automatically makes you incompatible with football and that because he has opinions on stuff outside of football that he's not focussed or committed - that's just stupid - people think about stuff and read about stuff all the time - id much rather a guy who thought about stuff intelligently than a guy who believes the earth is flat or dinosaurs never existed
rant over
TL;DR - for once i think the media is right and coaches (and scouts) are over reacting to absolutely nothing with regards to Josh Rosen - he's the best qb in the draft and he shouldnt be docked points because some coaches apparently have an inferiority complex over their intelligence with regards to being in the same room as him