Signings, Cuts, Trades

[JoeyFlex5]

Ah yes, a ring to show for it... ten years ago... with only one playoff win (thanks to a huge Lamar TD run) in the last ten years. Highly successful approach.

If we forget about the rams, name a team that’s had more success with the “all-in” model.

 

[ndub]

If we forget about the rams, name a team that’s had more success with the “all-in” model.

I'm just saying, if you measure success by greatness, we definitely haven't been that in the past 10 years. Mediocre, much more like

 

[RavensMania]

Ah yes, a ring to show for it... ten years ago... with only one playoff win (thanks to a huge Lamar TD run) in the last ten years. Highly successful approach.

and 3 of those Super Bowls went to the Patriots, another one the Patriots lost in and another one Tom Brady was in with the Bucs.

your point is it's a total failure if we don't win it all and that is far from the truth and how we win a game doesn't matter and shouldn't matter to you either.

Bengals were in the super bowl and lost and have been basically awful the previous years. I'd rather be successful during the season for 10 years, than have 1 good season that gets me to the super bowl and awful the rest and I don't have to think twice about it. That being said, you'd fire Harbaugh for Zac Taylor

 

[ndub]

and 3 of those Super Bowls went to the Patriots, another one the Patriots lost in and another one Tom Brady was in with the Bucs.

your point is it's a total failure if we don't win it all and that is far from the truth and how we win a game doesn't matter and shouldn't matter to you either.

Lol "how we win a game"... uh, only one playoff win in 10 years.. even with a team that went 14-2. Pretty bad if you ask me.

 

[Simba]

I'm just saying, if you measure success by greatness, we definitely haven't been that in the past 10 years. Mediocre, much more like

Depends how you measure greatness in that case. It's easy to forget that all 32 teams are vying for the same thing and only 1 wins it every single year. We haven't had the high highs that some teams have had, but we also don't have the low lows. I'd think most people would put the Ravens in the upper echelon of success over the last decade even with the struggles we've had. Not saying it's right or wrong necessarily. I understand you've "failed" if you don't win the Super Bowl but let's not act like it's an easy task either.

 

[RavensMania]

Lol "how we win a game"... uh, only one playoff win in 10 years.. even with a team that went 14-2. Pretty bad if you ask me.

and you put down that win because Lamar had a long run. Who gives a crap. Peyton Manning went many years before he won a playoff game. Does that mean the Colts sucked. Of course not, but you think they did.

The year we went 14-2 we just happened to go up against the hottest team in the league and the one team that matched up very well against us.

 

[ndub]

Depends how you measure greatness in that case. It's easy to forget that all 32 teams are vying for the same thing and only 1 wins it every single year. We haven't had the high highs that some teams have had, but we also don't have the low lows. I'd think most people would put the Ravens in the upper echelon of success over the last decade even with the struggles we've had. Not saying it's right or wrong necessarily. I understand you've "failed" if you don't win the Super Bowl but let's not act like it's an easy task either.

It's not just winning the super bowl though... we literally have one playoff win in the past 10 years. Even the Jaguars have more than that. I'm glad to see that success is defined by mediocrity around here

 

[ndub]

and you put down that win because Lamar had a long run. Who gives a crap. Peyton Manning went many years before he won a playoff game. Does that mean the Colts sucked. Of course not, but you think they did.

I wouldn't exactly call that success though lmao. Oh yes, it was a great success, not being able to win when it actually matters.

 

[Simba]

It's not just winning the super bowl though... we literally have one playoff win in the past 10 years. Even the Jaguars have more than that. I'm glad to see that success is defined by mediocrity around here

Jaguars also spent most of the decade drafting in the top 5. Again, it depends how you measure it. I don't see the Jags with a SB ring either.

 

[RavensMania]

I wouldn't exactly call that success though lmao. Oh yes, it was a great success, not being able to win when it actually matters.

but to remain competitive for every year, except for 2015, is highly unusual and that's the success. Sure they have only one 1 game, but we don't have Lamar and we aren't getting to the playoffs in 2018. Would you prefer not to go to the playoffs, then lose in them.

Maybe you should just not watch regular season football.

 

[RavensMania]

Jaguars also spent most of the decade drafting in the top 5. Again, it depends how you measure it. I don't see the Jags with a SB ring either.

or the Redskins, Cowboys, Browns, Bengals, Raiders, Chargers, Giants, Cardinals, Saints, Panthers, Falcons, Packers, Bears, Vikings, Lions, Bills, Jets, Dolphins, Jags, Colts, Jags, Colts, Titans, Texans, 49ers

Looks like a bunch of utter failure. Not many of these teams has been in the thick of it for the past decade either.

 

[ndub]

but to remain competitive for every year, except for 2015, is highly unusual and that's the success. Sure they have only one 1 game, but we don't have Lamar and we aren't getting to the playoffs in 2018. Would you prefer not to go to the playoffs, then lose in them.

Maybe you should just not watch regular season football.

I would take a down year to have multiple up years and have playoff success. And it's not like we go 14-2, 13-3, 12-4 every year either, so do we really have a lot of regular season success even? I don't live for mediocrity unlike obviously some of you do.

 

[Simba]

I would take a down year to have multiple up years and have playoff success. And it's not like we go 14-2, 13-3, 12-4 every year either, so do we really have a lot of regular season success even? I don't live for mediocrity unlike obviously some of you do.

I would argue the Jags with 1 playoff appearance (and 2 playoff wins) in the last 10 years is much more mediocre than the Ravens last 10 years but I digress.

 

[rmcjacket23]

I would take a down year to have multiple up years and have playoff success. And it's not like we go 14-2, 13-3, 12-4 every year either, so do we really have a lot of regular season success even? I don't live for mediocrity unlike obviously some of you do.

Well it wouldn't be a down year. It would be like a down 4-5 years or more (in some cases, down decades), which is what most of the teams we're describing went through to get to where they are today.

And there's nothing about you that says you'd have a the patience to go through that. Some of you don't even have the patience to lose a single regular season game, let alone dozens of them over many years.

The postseason success hasn't been nearly sufficient. But that's also largely a product of the mediocrity that was the QB for most of those years. Weird. Franchise success correlates to QB success.

 

[JoeyFlex5]

I'm just saying, if you measure success by greatness, we definitely haven't been that in the past 10 years. Mediocre, much more like

Most teams in the league can say the exact same though. The bills didn’t become a juggernaut until last season, before that they were still unsure if their recent wave of draft picks would pan out. Then there’s the chiefs who have been good long term, the packers live and die by Rodgers, and literally no other team has been consistently excellent for even 5 years let alone a decade, and to hell with excellent or “great” because MOST teams struggle to even reach relevance.

The ravens are a well managed team with a weak link at OC and WR, and they’ve had awful luck with big money players getting injured and because of that there has been no way to “go all in” like trading for a wr.

 

[ndub]

Well it wouldn't be a down year. It would be like a down 4-5 years or more (in some cases, down decades), which is what most of the teams we're describing went through to get to where they are today.

And there's nothing about you that says you'd have a the patience to go through that.

The postseason success hasn't been nearly sufficient. But that's also largely a product of the mediocrity that was the QB for most of those years. Weird. Franchise success correlates to QB success.

So are you calling Lamar mediocre for only having one playoff win since 2018?

 

[rmcjacket23]

So are you calling Lamar mediocre for only having one playoff win since 2018?

For 50% of it, absolutely. That would fall under the category of "duh".

He was mediocre in 2018, when he couldn't throw the ball and everybody knew it.

And he was medicore last year, when he missed five games and didn't play that great when he was on the field. 7-5 record, career highs in turnovers. What about him was special in either of those years?

Are you guys under the impression that he's literally great every single week? Heck there's stretches of this season alone when he was the textbook definition of mediocre.

Fans have every reason to be upset that 2019 ended so poorly, and that 2020 we probably didn't advance far enough (though not sure why people expected us to beat Buffalo to begin with). I have no fucking clue why any fan on Earth would have expected 2018 or 2021 to end any differently than it did.

 

[ndub]

For 50% of it, absolutely. That would fall under the category of "duh".

He was mediocre in 2018, when he couldn't throw the ball and everybody knew it.

And he was medicore last year, when he missed five games and didn't play that great when he was on the field. 7-5 record, career highs in turnovers. What about him was special in either of those years?

Are you guys under the impression that he's literally great every single week? Heck there's stretches of this season alone when he was the textbook definition of mediocre.

Fans have every reason to be upset that 2019 ended so poorly, and that 2020 we probably didn't advance far enough (though not sure why people expected us to beat Buffalo to begin with). I have no fucking clue why any fan on Earth would have expected 2018 or 2021 to end any differently than it did.

I'm agreeing with you, I just wanted to make sure it was stated for all to see

 

[rmcjacket23]

I'm agreeing with you, I just wanted to make sure it was stated for all to see

All to see what? Most honest people know this already.

You know why we didn't win between 2013-2018? Because Joe got paid a lot to be exactly who Joe always was, i.e. a mediocre regular season QB. And the supporting cast around him wasn't good enough to elevate him like it was his first five years. So, we lost, and lost a lot.

2019 and 2020 should have gone better, and 2021 was a fucking joke of a disaster for basically the second half of the season.

So basically, everybody can reasonably bitch about two years of the last like ten. Everything else the fans wanted, asked for, and got what they wanted. Lots of people on this very board wanted Joe signed long term. Got what you wanted.

 

[BoredMarine13]

What those teams are doing right now is working right now, the rams have been shockingly sustainable, but you can probably expect one or two franchises to eventually attempt the same model, fail miserably, and then there will be a different trend, perhaps more traditional/sustainable models, maybe something entirely new. But frankly we haven’t been in a spending frenzy type of cap situation since harbaugh and flacco came to town, and we’ve been competitive for most of it, with a ring to show for it, we would’ve had to blow up a portion of one of our Lamar teams to make the moves being suggested, because we had so much cap trouble lingering from the flacco era when Lamar was in the prime “team building” stages of his rookie deal. That window has closed and now it’s time to make due or hope for the absolute best opportunity, and no good opportunity for a wr has presented itself other than Pickens

I don't think money has anything to do with it. Bisciotti has enough to get virtually anyone on the market if the FO wanted them. It's the mindset that's the bigger issue, and it's somewhat hard to argue against it. The Rams sold out virtually everything to get their Super Bowl and it worked, but they're already toiling back towards mediocrity. EDC and Co. are more of the ilk that you build a team that is consistently in the hunt. Of course, it's been a long time since we've won one so you can certainly disagree with the stance especially when you see a team spend big and win, but I think they also recognize that a lot of teams have tried that before and it hasn't worked. The prime catch 22.

Yea, I don't have an answer, but I prefer our current sustainability model. We are very spoiled as a fan base. We've been relevant in the playoff discussion since 2006, with the exceptions of 07 and 15.

The Rams are one example, but I'd also include the Bucs in that conversation during their super bowl.