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[rmcjacket23]

We've been nothing special at drafting O line since Orlando (except for Linderbaum in the first).

Powers broke out in Year 4. Tyre Phillips and Ben Bredeson are mediocre on the Giants. Cleveland and Faalele may yet break out. Sala hasn't seen the field yet.

Not great. Not terrible. But nothing to suggest we're going to find starters where the rest of the NFL can't.

I mean OK but you've also drafted literally two tackles since Brown, one in the 3rd and one in the 4th round. And the 4th rounder is still on the roster and could be a good player.

Everybody else was day 3 interior Olineman.

If we took an OT before the end of day 2 every year, we'd have a couple really good one's already.

 

[Davesta]

definitely dont want him at OT lol
but dont want him at WR either haha

Who you SIIE-ing for at pick 30?




…and why is it Troy Fautanu?

 

[Grim]

We've been nothing special at drafting O line since Orlando (except for Linderbaum in the first).

Powers broke out in Year 4. Tyre Phillips and Ben Bredeson are mediocre on the Giants. Cleveland and Faalele may yet break out. Sala hasn't seen the field yet.

Not great. Not terrible. But nothing to suggest we're going to find starters where the rest of the NFL can't.

I’d say we’re good as a general consensus. The entire league I think is down at OL play so it’s less of a guarantee as it used to be once but I think we’re better than average.

 

[JAAM]

 

[QtR Nevermore]

Yeah so I'm not buying really any of this:
1. There's a pretty sizeable pay-gap, today, between LT and RTs. A top 10 LT will cost you $20M/year in AAV on average.. A top 10 RT will cost you $15M/year in AAV on average. Both the top and the middle of the "second contract starter" market is about $5M apart across the board, and that doesn't appear to be rising at all.

According to Over the Cap
The top 10 LTs range from $25 - $16 M in AAV at an average of $19.5.
The top 10 RTs range from $20- 15 M in AAV at an average of $17.98.

Doesn't seem such massive gap to me. After the top 3 LT contracts things are remarkably close.

 

[gtalk12]

I had a feeling they would release Mike Williams. WOW

 

[Deebo813]

Keon Coleman!

Lmao i was talking about olinemen but dam coleman that bad?

 

[Davesta]

Bosa or Mack next.

Feel bad for Joe Hortiz. Old GM just restructured and pushed everything into future years.. now he gotta clean up that messy cap situation

 

[rossihunter2]

We've been nothing special at drafting O line since Orlando (except for Linderbaum in the first).

Powers broke out in Year 4. Tyre Phillips and Ben Bredeson are mediocre on the Giants. Cleveland and Faalele may yet break out. Sala hasn't seen the field yet.

Not great. Not terrible. But nothing to suggest we're going to find starters where the rest of the NFL can't.

got bozeman in the same draft as orlando in 2018, senat was a miss

got powers in 2019 as well as mekari as a udfa

bredeson and phillips obviously misses in 2020

2021 maybe cleveland is a miss... but he also may be about to follow the same trajectory as a 4th year starter as some of our other former guys

2022 obviously linderbaum is already a pro bowler and we'll see about faalele (who was a developmental pick anyway)

but also worth noting a lot of these guys weren't even day 2 picks

we've been significantly better than most of the rest of the league drafting OL

 

[rossihunter2]

I mean OK but you've also drafted literally two tackles since Brown, one in the 3rd and one in the 4th round. And the 4th rounder is still on the roster and could be a good player.

Everybody else was day 3 interior Olineman.

If we took an OT before the end of day 2 every year, we'd have a couple really good one's already.

and the guy we drafted in the 3rd round was always someone who we were looking at as a guard conversion

 

[rossihunter2]

Who you SIIE-ing for at pick 30?




…and why is it Troy Fautanu?

it was troy fautanu until everyone in the media realised that just because he was only 6'4 didnt mean he had short arms
and now he's getting mocked where he should have been the whole time which is top 15-20

if he were to slip to 30 that would be a dream, but feels really far-fetched right now

 

[Grim]

Not sure how I feel about Mike Williams. I think he may be done.

 

[purplepittabread88]

I know Patrick mekari can play all positions on the line but the ravens do know it can’t be simultaneously, right?

 

[rossihunter2]

According to Over the Cap
The top 10 LTs range from $25 - $16 M in AAV at an average of $19.5.
The top 10 RTs range from $20- 15 M in AAV at an average of $17.98.

Doesn't seem such massive gap to me. After the top 3 LT contracts things are remarkably close.

if you average out the top 15 the gap gets significantly wider

basically, top-end RTs are almost as valuable as top-end LTs
average LTs still get paid a lot more than average RTs

also notable that many of the RTs were paid more recently than the top LTs - and david bakhtiari and tyron smith are also long-time highly-paid LTs who are currently not on the list right now

 

[QtR Nevermore]

got bozeman in the same draft as orlando in 2018, senat was a miss

got powers in 2019 as well as mekari as a udfa

bredeson and phillips obviously misses in 2020

2021 maybe cleveland is a miss... but he also may be about to follow the same trajectory as a 4th year starter as some of our other former guys

2022 obviously linderbaum is already a pro bowler and we'll see about faalele (who was a developmental pick anyway)

but also worth noting a lot of these guys weren't even day 2 picks

we've been significantly better than most of the rest of the league drafting OL

We've definitely been better than average.
Significantly? Maybe. I'm not going to trawl through 6 x31 drafts to check, so I'll agree.
Far enough ahead of the rest to be confident of finding early starters beyond the first 2 rounds? I don't think so.

 

[Grim]

Would we even want Joey Bosa? I mean no offense to the guy but he’s often often often injured. I think I’d want Khalil Mack over Bosa. This assumes we can get either of them btw

 

[JAAM]

Ugh

 

[rossihunter2]

We've definitely been better than average.
Significantly? Maybe. I'm not going to trawl through 6 x31 drafts to check, so I'll agree.
Far enough ahead of the rest to be confident of finding early starters beyond the first 2 rounds? I don't think so.

it's not about being confident in finding early starters, but it's being confident in your talent identification and development processes and understanding that you'll miss sometimes

part of the drafting success with the OL is identifying scheme/organisational fits - the stability within the front office, scouting department and coaching staff gives us a leg up on other teams

doesnt mean we'll necessarily nail our picks, and that's why i think their clearly fine with Mekari/faalele for 2024 in the worst case scenario - i imagine they'd love to (and expect to) improve the OT position through the draft but they won't rely on it... and they definitely won't force a bad pick

 

[QtR Nevermore]

if you average out the top 15 the gap gets significantly wider

basically, top-end RTs are almost as valuable as top-end LTs
average LTs still get paid a lot more than average RTs

also notable that many of the RTs were paid more recently than the top LTs - and david bakhtiari and tyron smith are also long-time highly-paid LTs who are currently not on the list right now

True but then the gap is also made wider by the fact that Left Tackle as the traditionally more prestigious position has always attracted the top talent.
Guys like Trent Williams and Laremy Tunsill were always going to choose to play on the left but they'd still get $20+ M if they happened to play on the right. (if you get what I'm saying. Not sure I explained that very well.)

 

[JAAM]

I honestly wouldn’t mind Mike as that field stretcher. He might be affordable coming off of injury