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Signings, Cuts, Trades

rmcjacket23 said:
Ehh, I don't think we really trade down nearly as much as people think. We may move up and down the board a little bit on day 3 (like plenty of teams do), but we really don't trade back in the first or even second rounds that often.

If I look back recently:
2021: after the Brown trade, which effectively moved us up AND acquired more picks, we stayed pat in Rounds 1-3. Any trades were pre-draft trades, including us giving up a pick for Yannick previously.
2020: stayed pat on day 1, traded a 2 and a 4 on day 2 for two 3rd rounders.
2019: stayed pat in round 1, didn't have a 2nd round pick (traded for Lamar prior year), and then we traded up in the 3rd round to draft Boykin (yikes)
2018: Certainly the wildest of 1st rounds. We traded back from 16 to 22, then back again from 22 to 25, to get Hurst, and then traded back up from the 2nd round to get Lamar. Ultimately would have been pretty hard to get Lamar if we hadn't traded back initially.
Now no 2nd round pick, and we ultimately traded back in the third round (twice) to get some more picks. We actually moved back from 65 to 86 and ended up with 4th, 5th, and 6th round picks.
At 86 we took Mark Andrews
2017: I don't note a single draft day trade until the 6th round.
2016: no trades in round 1, in round 2 we moved back from 36 to 42, picking up a 4th and 5th rounder.
The good: the 5th rounder ended up being Judon
The bad: we took Correa at 42, with some studs still on the board (Henry, Michael Thomas, Deion Jones, etc.) and Chris Jones and Xavien Howard were on the board for us at 36.

I can keep going further, but point being in the last several drafts, I'd argue we've been much more aggressive about coming UP in the draft for quality players than trading back. The only real trade back scenarios was in 2018, and that's kind of a wash for me.

Recently, we've had no issues giving up picks for players (Peters, Yannick) or moving up to get guys we want (Lamar).

In terms of comp picks, I tend to agree Ravens overvalue them, however, the context of the comp picks is also in the context of the lack of salary cap space available to go and acquire better players in FA.
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3 of the last 4 years we've traded down with a 1st or 2nd round pick...
2018 we traded down twice before we picked hurst - and in fact even after we traded up for lamar, we again traded down with the pick after that
2019 we actually didnt stand pat, we traded down again before we picked up hollywood
2020 we didnt move at our 1st pick but we did trade down with our 2nd 2nd rounder

we've been unafraid to move up - but we've consistently added extra picks by moving down

we trade down and we look to trade down - but with the way draft picks are valued right now, it's rare for there not to be value in trading down
 
UPennChem said:
We've got 5.9m in salary cap. The draft class is supposedly approximately 4m. That means we'd have 1.9m for reserves and depth. That just doesn't seem like enough??
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is that 4m taking into account rule of 51?
im fully expecting before rule of 51 comes out of play that we'll be restructuring marlon, cutting ben powers and maybe even restructuring ronnie and if we can maybe even extending MP

but marlo's restructure is 100% happening at some point and will free up like 6m straight away
 
rossihunter2 said:
is that 4m taking into account rule of 51?
im fully expecting before rule of 51 comes out of play that we'll be restructuring marlon, cutting ben powers and maybe even restructuring ronnie and if we can maybe even extending MP

but marlo's restructure is 100% happening at some point and will free up like 6m straight away
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Does include Rule of 51, but that goes away once the season starts, so its kind of a moot point anyway.
 
rmcjacket23 said:
Does include Rule of 51, but that goes away once the season starts, so its kind of a moot point anyway.
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oh for sure - but it's also likely that someone like ben powers's contract also gets cut and that saves 2.5m straight up which would help ease that hit of ending rule of 51
 
rossihunter2 said:
3 of the last 4 years we've traded down with a 1st or 2nd round pick...
2018 we traded down twice before we picked hurst - and in fact even after we traded up for lamar, we again traded down with the pick after that
2019 we actually didnt stand pat, we traded down again before we picked up hollywood
2020 we didnt move at our 1st pick but we did trade down with our 2nd 2nd rounder

we've been unafraid to move up - but we've consistently added extra picks by moving down

we trade down and we look to trade down - but with the way draft picks are valued right now, it's rare for there not to be value in trading down
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Yeah I missed the Hollywood one.
My point was that trading down has gotten us some pretty good players. Is anybody complaining that we traded down to get Hollywood?
2018 I largely attribute as a wash, because we traded down and then traded up. If you don't trade down, you may not have the ammo to move up to get Lamar, and you may not ever get Andrews.
2016 is the only year in this sample I look at where I'm like "yeah, trading down in the second didn't pan out", and would like a do-over from that.
 
rossihunter2 said:
oh for sure - but it's also likely that someone like ben powers's contract also gets cut and that saves 2.5m straight up which would help ease that hit of ending rule of 51
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Possibly. But if they haven't cut him yet, it means he's probably at least going to make it through the draft, and likely, into the preseason on the roster. At that point, him making the team is also possible. Just depends on how injuries and the competition shakes out.

The Marlon restructure is happening, I sure hope they don't do a thing with Stanley's contract, and we'll see what happens after that. Peters getting extended would be great, but can't bank on that.
 
rmcjacket23 said:
Possibly. But if they haven't cut him yet, it means he's probably at least going to make it through the draft, and likely, into the preseason on the roster. At that point, him making the team is also possible. Just depends on how injuries and the competition shakes out.

The Marlon restructure is happening, I sure hope they don't do a thing with Stanley's contract, and we'll see what happens after that. Peters getting extended would be great, but can't bank on that.
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the only reason they might do stanley's contract is because it's still early enough in the deal that all they'd be doing is moving around money that's already guaranteed rather than guaranteeing new money - so while there's potential risk to future cap by restructuring stanley, there's no additional cash risk
 
rossihunter2 said:
the only reason they might do stanley's contract is because it's still early enough in the deal that all they'd be doing is moving around money that's already guaranteed rather than guaranteeing new money - so while there's potential risk to future cap by restructuring stanley, there's no additional cash risk
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Right but it creates at lease some problems on the back end if you have to move on from him.

For example, if you drop his base down to ~$1M, that'll create $8.5M this year and push $2.83M into each year from '23-'25. Not particularly troublesome, except for one thing.
Your first "out" year is 2024, when you could move on with a $13.6M dead money hit but get about $9.5M in cap savings. If you do that restructure, that dead money increases to to roughly $19.3M, and the cap savings is down to only $4.7M, making it much less likely you move on from him then. At the very least, pre-June 1 cap savings becomes almost irrelevant, and you'd only get cap relief in July, when teams need much less of it.

So realistically, if you do any sizeable restructure, you're practically guaranteeing him another year. It's not officially guaranteed, but from a cap management standpoint, it gets pretty close.

If they came in and did a small restructure to free up maybe $3-4M or something like that, I could see that being sound. With the uncertainty surrounding him at the moment, I'm not really interested in increasing future dead money at this time.
 
Ellicottraven said:
I don't fucking doubt it. Everybody that leaves us turns into a Waller! Now if this guy turns into Waller in Shitsburgh, I'll shoot myself.
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Waller isn't the only one - do you remember Tim Patrick? Although he isn't a #1 he's still solid and would've been better than many of the wr we've had to endure.
 
rossihunter2 said:
1 bad draft in 2019 does not make the process bad...
and 2 years under covid since where they've shied away from risks and small-school talents also is not a great indicator of what the future holds

this is an incredibly deep class in the middle right where we've got 7 of our 10 picks (in the 3rd and 4th round) - that's where we want to be picking a lot
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Definitely this years forum mock draft has given me the impressio or has verified that this year draft is pretty deep in talent and The Ravens probably will be moving forward with adding more picks then losing some this year.
 
Sandtown said:
Definitely this years forum mock draft has given me the impressio or has verified that this year draft is pretty deep in talent and The Ravens probably will be moving forward with adding more picks then losing some this year.
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yep - league-wide consensus (and im talking execs and coaches not media) is this draft has a big fall-off somewhere in and around the top 10 (depending on how a team sets its own board) but also has a really deep middle in the 3rd/4th rounds most likely

in peter king's latest article this monday, an anonymous GM even name-checked the ravens as a team he's jealous of with our 7 picks in R3 and R4 in this draft class
 
rossihunter2 said:
yep - league-wide consensus (and im talking execs and coaches not media) is this draft has a big fall-off somewhere in and around the top 10 (depending on how a team sets its own board) but also has a really deep middle in the 3rd/4th rounds most likely

in peter king's latest article this monday, an anonymous GM even name-checked the ravens as a team he's jealous of with our 7 picks in R3 and R4 in this draft class
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I had a lot of fun looking up prospects for the 3rd/4th rounds. I can only imagine how much fun a real GM would have.
 
Simba said:
I swear to god if this dude goes off for 100+ against us...

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Tomlin: alright Miles..you been with the Ravens for 3 years now. Tell us about Lamar. His weakness, strengths.. what he likes to audible to..

Boykin: About Lamar? Uh.. I know he’s from Florida. That’s about it…we don’t talk much.
 
Davesta said:
Tomlin: alright Miles..you been with the Ravens for 3 years now. Tell us about Lamar. His weakness, strengths.. what he likes to audible to..

Boykin: About Lamar? Uh.. I know he’s from Florida. That’s about it…we don’t talk much.
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Good thing Boykin can’t know that damn much
 
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