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lamar was better in the beginning of 2021 than he has ever been
he was better than anyone else in the league through 9 weeks of the season

i dont know what it is you think you need to see to be convinced - what doesnt lamar do that makes you feel like he's not in the same tier as those guys you just named?

and to have the gall to think lamar's replaceable by a rookie? outrageous
I do not think he is replaceable but I think if you can hit you are going to get close enough that having 3-4 all pro players at other positions makes you the stronger football team by a wide margin.

As for why I think those three are better we can break it down into components of football. To skip the easy one Lamar is a better runner (even though the other 3 especially Allen are quite good).

However, I would say that in terms of pocket mobility, ie being able to get out of the pocket and convert those to yards, all 3 are slightly better for different reasons with the bulk of Mahomes and Rodgers difference being because of their deep touch.

Which brings us to the deep ball where all 3 especially Rodgers and Mahomes are better. This is a tricky one to judge because all 4 can throw it a mile, and a lot of deep balls come down to who the receiver is, but Mahomes and Rodgers can flick it 50 yards in a quick release that just puts them as the top 2 in the NFL by a comfy margin.

Accuracy: I think we can agree that Lamar is the 4th most accurate of the 4 (certainly less than Rodgers and Mahomes) and just move on though Lamar over the middle is still quite accurate.

Right now I am trying to find an aspect to his game where I would say "yes Lamar is better at throwing this type of ball then Rodgers/Mahomes/Allen". I just cannot. This is not a slight to Lamar because there are 25 other QBs for whom I could not succeed at a similar test. However, if you do not have those 3 then I would think you are better with 3-4 all pro talents across the team and having a talented rookie with extra 1sts to build a stronger core I would take that.
 
did you not watch the end of the season and playoffs?
odell was great - the problem was the browns

rams were dominating that superbowl on offence against a good bengals defence until odell went down with the injury

ODB was a great 3rd/4th option. Cooper was the 1st option and generally better. The only thing I would worry about with Cooper is effort as it seems he has a pattern of being great for 2 years then shutting it down.
 
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did you forget about zeitler at RG?

we've got 4 tackles we wont mind taking snaps for us right now - 2 of them have injury concerns but have hopes they'll return - that's not a bad situation - obviously it looks dramatically better if we can guarantee ronnie comes back which obviously no one outside the building or ronnie's camp has any idea about yet

we still need to sort out C for sure but we've got the whole rest of the offseason to figure that out and at least 1 good option still remaining in free agency

To be fair, yea I forgot about Zeitler… thank you for (sorta) talking me off the cliff here…
 
What????? OBJ is an elite route runner and better route runner than Cooper, not to take anything away from Cooper.

OBJ (I dont know why I kept typing D but now I have to stop my own muscle memory) tends to do the best when he can improvise a route and let his impressive raw skills take over. Cooper is one of the best route runners in the NFL and that is how he produces. I do not think he was worth 20m per year but the Browns are gonna Brown.
 
ODB has not looked good in several years. The Browns played better without him.

Landry has looked good for a 2 but that is about it and his production has now been down 2 years in a row which tends to be a bad sign.
These are both because of Baker and being a heavy running team.
 
OBJ (I dont know why I kept typing D but now I have to stop my own muscle memory) tends to do the best when he can improvise a route and let his impressive raw skills take over. Cooper is one of the best route runners in the NFL and that is how he produces. I do not think he was worth 20m per year but the Browns are gonna Brown.
Both of them are good route runners, but OBJ has been elite since he came into the league. He's one of the best route runners in the league. We are going to have to agree to disagree, because you are entitled to your opinion. I just disagree.
 
I do not think he is replaceable but I think if you can hit you are going to get close enough that having 3-4 all pro players at other positions makes you the stronger football team by a wide margin.

As for why I think those three are better we can break it down into components of football. To skip the easy one Lamar is a better runner (even though the other 3 especially Allen are quite good).

However, I would say that in terms of pocket mobility, ie being able to get out of the pocket and convert those to yards, all 3 are slightly better for different reasons with the bulk of Mahomes and Rodgers difference being because of their deep touch.

Which brings us to the deep ball where all 3 especially Rodgers and Mahomes are better. This is a tricky one to judge because all 4 can throw it a mile, and a lot of deep balls come down to who the receiver is, but Mahomes and Rodgers can flick it 50 yards in a quick release that just puts them as the top 2 in the NFL by a comfy margin.

Accuracy: I think we can agree that Lamar is the 4th most accurate of the 4 (certainly less than Rodgers and Mahomes) and just move on though Lamar over the middle is still quite accurate.

Right now I am trying to find an aspect to his game where I would say "yes Lamar is better at throwing this type of ball then Rodgers/Mahomes/Allen". I just cannot. This is not a slight to Lamar because there are 25 other QBs for whom I could not succeed at a similar test. However, if you do not have those 3 then I would think you are better with 3-4 all pro talents across the team and having a talented rookie with extra 1sts to build a stronger core I would take that.

you say these things like they're facts but what's your evidence?

like if i look at completion percentage... lamar, mahomes and allen have all been in the same range as each other the last 3 years or so trading places with who's ahead of who each year (except 2019 where allen was below 60%)

if i look at explosive plays... lamar and the ravens were top 3 in the league in explosive passing plays before he went down, at the beginning of the year they were leading the league in explosive plays and lamar was leading the league in ADOT and YPA and it wasn't close between him and second place

are you sure you're not bucky brooks in disguise?
 
To be fair, yea I forgot about Zeitler… thank you for (sorta) talking me off the cliff here…

when we get to august, im fully expecting the only major question marks to be stanley's health (if it's not solved by then) and who the starter is at LG

that's why im not panicking - if we get to may and we're looking at a Mekari or TCC start at C i'll start to be a little concerned but at least until the draft's over im not going to worry about that too much (especially with free agency less than a week old)
 
when we get to august, im fully expecting the only major question marks to be stanley's health (if it's not solved by then) and who the starter is at LG

that's why im not panicking - if we get to may and we're looking at a Mekari or TCC start at C i'll start to be a little concerned but at least until the draft's over im not going to worry about that too much (especially with free agency less than a week old)

Think Linderbaum is an option?
 
Interest note on Bozeman though



i wonder if they just aren't interested in the C market then
they're clearly not panicking and there's no way they dont have a plan for the position but i cant think what it would be unless they really truly are fully invested in Linderbaum (but that would be shocking to me)
 
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