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Signings, Cuts, Trades

UPennChem said:
Thanks for this! Getting Reader would help then too. Prioritize the OL in the draft.

Sucks this is such a bad draft for being higher picks overall for us. In quality and quantity. We gotta really hit on our vet pickups
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there have definitely been better classes to have the 14th pick
the problem isn't necessarily that there won't be good talent available, it's that all the talents who might be available at 14 come with questions (either in terms of injuries, measurables or positional value)

right now if i had to guess, the guy at 14 would be one of these guys:
Olaivavega Ioane (seemingly the favourite), OG, pretty clean prospect but G only
Spencer Fano, OT, shorter arms
Jordyn Tyson, WR, medical questions
Jermod McCoy, CB, coming off torn ACL and missed all of 2025

McCoy i think is an elite prospect and would easily be BPA if he was there for me as long as the knee checks out
Fano, Ioane and Tyson have pretty similar grades for me - i love KC Concepcion but no idea if the NFL agrees

would be surprised if it's not one of those guys unless someone wild like Rueben Bain falls to 14 because of his outlier arm length
 
rossihunter2 said:
there have definitely been better classes to have the 14th pick
the problem isn't necessarily that there won't be good talent available, it's that all the talents who might be available at 14 come with questions (either in terms of injuries, measurables or positional value)

right now if i had to guess, the guy at 14 would be one of these guys:
Olaivavega Ioane (seemingly the favourite), OG, pretty clean prospect but G only
Spencer Fano, OT, shorter arms
Jordyn Tyson, WR, medical questions
Jermod McCoy, CB, coming off torn ACL and missed all of 2025

McCoy i think is an elite prospect and would easily be BPA if he was there for me as long as the knee checks out
Fano, Ioane and Tyson have pretty similar grades for me - i love KC Concepcion but no idea if the NFL agrees

would be surprised if it's not one of those guys unless someone wild like Rueben Bain falls to 14 because of his outlier arm length
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I am just imagining the reaction if the Ravens draft a player coming off a knee injury on the heels of cancelling a trade because of the medicals of a player coming off a knee injury.
 
Adreme said:
I am just imagining the reaction if the Ravens draft a player coming off a knee injury on the heels of cancelling a trade because of the medicals of a player coming off a knee injury.
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with every passing report, raiders fans are more and more on an island of outrage out on their own

while everyone else who's not being deliberately obtuse, understands that there's a difference between a rehab from a surgery and analysis of potential future injuries
 
rossihunter2 said:
with every passing report, raiders fans are more and more on an island of outrage out on their own

while everyone else who's not being deliberately obtuse, understands that there's a difference between a rehab from a surgery and analysis of potential future injuries
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Maybe that is more the story locally but as someone who consumes an above average amount of sporting news I can say that narrative has not really happened.

Now again it comes up far more locally but the few times it comes up nationally, either when talking about the upcoming draft and they are going team by team or just filling time predicting the next NFL season, the narrative around this deal is still the same as it was when it happened: the Ravens found an excuse to back out of the deal in bad faith because they realized they could get a player who is 90% of what they were trading for but keep their 1st round picks. Now I do think the idea that the Ravens would have taken both is a little crazy, and I do not doubt the people who evaluated him, but I am merely saying that the narrative still is the same nationally.
 
Adreme said:
I am just imagining the reaction if the Ravens draft a player coming off a knee injury on the heels of cancelling a trade because of the medicals of a player coming off a knee injury.
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That would be very ironic and it would be the talk of the draft.

I think the last thing they need to do is draft an injury with upside. I hate the upside argument. Maybe for a 4th or 5th rounder that was projected earlier, but when you're drafting in the first round you want a whole player that can contribute immediately.
 
Adreme said:
Maybe that is more the story locally but as someone who consumes an above average amount of sporting news I can say that narrative has not really happened.

Now again it comes up far more locally but the few times it comes up nationally, either when talking about the upcoming draft and they are going team by team or just filling time predicting the next NFL season, the narrative around this deal is still the same as it was when it happened: the Ravens found an excuse to back out of the deal in bad faith because they realized they could get a player who is 90% of what they were trading for but keep their 1st round picks. Now I do think the idea that the Ravens would have taken both is a little crazy, and I do not doubt the people who evaluated him, but I am merely saying that the narrative still is the same nationally.
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Well the good news is that national narratives have a long track record of a) being wrong and b) people forgetting about them quickly.
 
drjohnnyfever said:
That would be very ironic and it would be the talk of the draft.

I think the last thing they need to do is draft an injury with upside. I hate the upside argument. Maybe for a 4th or 5th rounder that was projected earlier, but when you're drafting in the first round you want a whole player that can contribute immediately.
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So a) I'm not even sure most fans would piece that part together. Definitely don't think it'll be the "hot topic" of the draft, considering that topic was already discussed ad nauseum when the Ravens swapped one player with a knee issue for another.
And b) I think most of the players you're targeting at 14 either have some sort of medical or "combined" red flag. Most of the WRs in that range has some injury concerns, Bane (if he falls) has short arms, and so does Fano.
 
rmcjacket23 said:
So a) I'm not even sure most fans would piece that part together. Definitely don't think it'll be the "hot topic" of the draft, considering that topic was already discussed ad nauseum when the Ravens swapped one player with a knee issue for another.
And b) I think most of the players you're targeting at 14 either have some sort of medical or "combined" red flag. Most of the WRs in that range has some injury concerns, Bane (if he falls) has short arms, and so does Fano.
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A) I think you’re severely underestimating the medias and fans ability to beat the absolute dogshit out of a dead horse

B) agreed, mid first is a very volatile section of the draft, it could just be me but it feels like the area where you find the most disappointment, very few slam dunk picks because those guys are typically going top ten. Mid first is a place for safe picks, you swing for the fences at 14 and there’s a strong chance you draft a bust, Hamilton wasn’t even swinging for the fences because everyone knew he had incredible upside, but you still figure he’s gonna be an excellent box safety at a minimum, that was a safe pick because you’re gonna get a starter and contributor.
 
rmcjacket23 said:
So a) I'm not even sure most fans would piece that part together. Definitely don't think it'll be the "hot topic" of the draft, considering that topic was already discussed ad nauseum when the Ravens swapped one player with a knee issue for another.
And b) I think most of the players you're targeting at 14 either have some sort of medical or "combined" red flag. Most of the WRs in that range has some injury concerns, Bane (if he falls) has short arms, and so does Fano.
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I mean the moment the pick goes down either Kiper or NFL Network will immediately draw the comparison and then the fans will parrot it.
 
rmcjacket23 said:
I don't think they'll do anything close to that. They don't give a shit.
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Ya you are right when 1st round picks are made they don't immediately drawing comparisons or talking about the team and in the lead up to the picks they never talk about the big stories for teams in the offseason... oh wait they do both of those things. So its VERY likely that story gets brought up when they are filling time waiting for the pick and then it certainly gets brought up again in a comparison to the pick.
 
JoeyFlex5 said:
A) I think you’re severely underestimating the medias and fans ability to beat the absolute dogshit out of a dead horse

B) agreed, mid first is a very volatile section of the draft, it could just be me but it feels like the area where you find the most disappointment, very few slam dunk picks because those guys are typically going top ten. Mid first is a place for safe picks, you swing for the fences at 14 and there’s a strong chance you draft a bust, Hamilton wasn’t even swinging for the fences because everyone knew he had incredible upside, but you still figure he’s gonna be an excellent box safety at a minimum, that was a safe pick because you’re gonna get a starter and contributor.
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1. The media and fans have Tourette's. They don't have the courage to care about anything for more than a day or two. Sashi Brown was half-right... things like this survive longer in light news cycles. Once you get a week past it, nobody cares anymore. The only people who still talk about it are butt-hurt Raiders fans.
2. I agree. That's why I find the mid-1sts to be a lot of teams taking players at less premium positions, like ILB, Safety, etc. They basically decide do I want the "projected" 3rd or 4th best WR in the class, or do I want the top off-ball LB. The latter probably comes with a lot less risk, but a lot less upside.
I'm not the guy who thinks they should take a Guard in round 1, but IF you believe said player can be at a like a Zach Martin-level, I can live with it. I can live with a first round whiff at a premium position. You take a chance on a pass rusher or WR with upside, and they don't amount to much, so be it. If you're taking an iOL at 14, and you whiff, you're fucking screwed.
 
Adreme said:
Ya you are right when 1st round picks are made they don't immediately drawing comparisons or talking about the team and in the lead up to the picks they never talk about the big stories for teams in the offseason... oh wait they do both of those things. So its VERY likely that story gets brought up when they are filling time waiting for the pick and then it certainly gets brought up again in a comparison to the pick.
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lol so yeah I'm not sure if you've watched the draft before, but the "filling time waiting for the pick" will be filled by a) about 10,000 advertisements over the course of a 4 hour broadcast, b) player interviews for the guys that just got picked (NFL Network does a shit ton of this) and c) "analysts" predicting who will get picked next and bitching about their favorite players not getting picked yet.
If this were Vegas, the over/under of total air time spent on "analysts" talking about the Ravens selecting a pass rusher with knee concerns, compared to Crosby, would be around 15-20 seconds.

I don't even recall if they still do it, but ESPN's first hour of the draft was "ad free", and pick 14 ain't happening in the first hour. Once that hour is gone, it's announce pick, spend 30 seconds talking about the pick, go to commercial for 4 minutes, come back, announce next pick. Rinse, repeat for the final three hours of a standard ESPN broadcast.
And that's assuming no trades happen.
 
rmcjacket23 said:
lol so yeah I'm not sure if you've watched the draft before, but the "filling time waiting for the pick" will be filled by a) about 10,000 advertisements over the course of a 4 hour broadcast, b) player interviews for the guys that just got picked (NFL Network does a shit ton of this) and c) "analysts" predicting who will get picked next and bitching about their favorite players not getting picked yet.
If this were Vegas, the over/under of total air time spent on "analysts" talking about the Ravens selecting a pass rusher with knee concerns, compared to Crosby, would be around 15-20 seconds.

I don't even recall if they still do it, but ESPN's first hour of the draft was "ad free", and pick 14 ain't happening in the first hour. Once that hour is gone, it's announce pick, spend 30 seconds talking about the pick, go to commercial for 4 minutes, come back, announce next pick. Rinse, repeat for the final three hours of a standard ESPN broadcast.
And that's assuming no trades happen.
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I have watched the draft every single year and every single year they do the exact same thing for every team in the first round. First, they talk about the big offseason stories for the teams, usually acquisitions and departures but in this case it means a 100% chance they talk about the trade that didn't happen. They then spend a couple minutes talking about the BPA for that team and then the pick happens and they react for 2 minutes before going to the next team on the clock and the cycle repeats.
 
The big off season stories for the Ravens, their fans, and effects on their draft picks are the losses of key players to FA(Lindy, Likely, etc.) and the acquisitions they made in FA. I doubt much time is given on the draft show, if any, to the Crosby thing. Just doesn’t have any bearing on how the Ravens draft.
 
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