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Dean Pees 2017

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So do we still hate him or what?
Is he still the worst D.C. ever?
Do we still wish he was fired ?

Hmmmmmmm.
 
We should have just made a thread titled, "coaching personnel," because everyone is going to be brought up at some point. Lol
 
I liked Rex Ryan and when he left I was not a fan of Greg Mattison, then I loved Chuck Pagano. When Chuck left I was not really a fan of Dean Pees, but he has been growing on me. I think with the defensive players Ozzie got for him, he better utilize them well because this season can be special if he does. It may be me and I know there are arguments against what I am going to say, but I would prefer a guy that was down on the field firing up his men or putting a foot in their backside if needed.
 
In the middle of the 2015 season, I thought Pees would have been fired at the end of season. However, the final 8 games may have saved his job. Yes, we were playing an easier schedule, but Wright was playing ok and Jimmy Smith was closer to 100%.

Last season we had a very good defense for three fourths of the year and fell off the face of the earth those final 3 to 4 games. We still finished in the top 10 in the league.

This year we should have a pretty dominating defense, top 3 to 5 in the league, with a good pass rush and good pass defense. That's a terrific formula for sacks and turnovers.

I don't have an issue with Pees. Besides,if offense has consistent coaching turnover, it's nice to have our DC consistent.
 
I think pees is a mastermind with the front seven, but his scheming seems to put a lot of stress on the dbs. He's done well with very little but his game plans so often fade at the end, it's confusing and makes no sense, maybe with a better pass rush the secondary won't be exposed, and last year you could see the difference of having high iq safeties.

I'm rooting for pees as of now, but if the 4Q meltdowns continue then something's gotta give, he's been famous for it ever since his days in NE
 
JoeyFlex5 said:
I think pees is a mastermind with the front seven, but his scheming seems to put a lot of stress on the dbs. He's done well with very little but his game plans so often fade at the end, it's confusing and makes no sense, maybe with a better pass rush the secondary won't be exposed, and last year you could see the difference of having high iq safeties.

I'm rooting for pees as of now, but if the 4Q meltdowns continue then something's gotta give, he's been famous for it ever since his days in NE
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What defenses don't have 4Q meltdowns? The ones I've seen that don't implode usually have pass rushers like James Harrison or cornerbacks like Richard Sherman. They are actually built to stop the 2 minute drill.

I'm not sure why, but across the league, defenses struggle in the 2 minute drill. It's not a Raven-specific thing. I think we just notice it more because our offense never scores enough to put teams away.

Another factor, I think, is Ozzie's personnel preferences and our injury debacles. Until around 2014 (when it became apparent that Upshaw was a bust),Ozzie favored thick and stout players in the front seven, guys who could shut an offense out four straight plays on the goal line, but couldn't stop a curl route.

We have not had athletic defenses. We've had starting OLBs like Upshaw and Jarrett Johnson and Albert McClellan, none of whom ever got any kind of rush. We've had old/injured Suggs and Dumervil. Our interior pass rush has been nonexistent. We have been slow. Our linebackers, prior to Mosley, were slow and not adept in coverage. Our safeties have been slow. Our cornerbacks have been hurt. Simply put, we have been too slow and too hurt to compete against 2 minute offenses. None of this is on Pees. When you're slow and hurt, the only defense you can afford to play is zone. When you're slow and hurt, it's no wonder offenses torch you in the 2 minute drill.

For the record, too, New England has also had slow defenses. Baltimore and New England's defenses have always been built somewhat similarly. Stout but slow. That accounts for Pees's history of 4th quarter meltdowns. At least in New England, Tom Brady has always put teams away, so the poor 4th quarter defense hasn't mattered.

Last year, we saw fewer meltdowns. Why? Better safeties. Better DBs. Relatively better pass rush. Linebackers who could cover. And, Anthony Levine, who wasn't a good enough safety or corner but may have been one of the better dimebackers in the league.

We can sit here all day and bitch about Pees being conservative, but the fact of the matter is that speed kills, and until recently, we haven't had a lot of speed on defense.
 
I am undecided on Pees, tending toward "fire him".

I mean, give me good rotation in front 7 so I can constantly create pressure with four man rush, way above average secondary and linebackers who can hold the edge and drop to cover and I'm pretty sure I wouldn't become an embarrassment of a DC, either.

I agree that part of previous struggles rests on Ozzie's shoulders and injuries and that shit doesn't make a good pie but is it too much to expect the ability of highly paid coaches in pro football to overcome the limitations to some extent by being smart coaches?

And I'll never forgive him throwing players under the bus two seasons ago.
 
allblackraven said:
I am undecided on Pees, tending toward "fire him".

I mean, give me good rotation in front 7 so I can constantly create pressure with four man rush, way above average secondary and linebackers who can hold the edge and drop to cover and I'm pretty sure I wouldn't become an embarrassment of a DC, either.

I agree that part of previous struggles rests on Ozzie's shoulders and injuries and that shit doesn't make a good pie but is it too much to expect the ability of highly paid coaches in pro football to overcome the limitations to some extent by being smart coaches?

And I'll never forgive him throwing players under the bus two seasons ago.
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Two seasons ago? Like when they gave up two 14 point leads in one game? What's wrong with accountability?
 
i have been critical of pees in the past and will hold judgement until a couple of meaningful games have been played. he has the stable now so aside from half the defense going on ir he will have no excuses. i expect the defensive staff to be aggessive in game planning, schemes and adjustments. good luck pees!!
 
The Raven said:
Two seasons ago? Like when they gave up two 14 point leads in one game? What's wrong with accountability?
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Nothing wrong but the players are the first to admit to mistakes, no need for him to do it in a press conference. There's time and place for everything.
 
I never really thought Pees was the biggest issue. Last year against the Steelers he was blitzing on the final drive. Not his fault he couldn't create pressure. This year with Judon another year developed and the additions of Williams and Bowser, and the pass rush should be better based off of that fact alone. Add in Humphrey who's an ideal scheme fit, and Jefferson who's a beast, if the defense sucks he should be fired. This defense might be our best since 2011 with Pagano.

Pees certainly isn't fantastic, but he's not god awful like several here claim.
 
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