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The 2021 Offseason Thread

Simba said:
I think the thing with McSorley is that all it takes is one handshake agreement with a vet and then you have him on IR and on standby should you need him later on. I don't think anyone would take him either, but is it really worth risking it? I mean, we only have 2 NFL level QBs on the roster right now. We're going to need a 3rd and potentially a 4th, even though neither would likely be on the 53.

But yeah Ferguson's play has made it hard to cut him. He looks like a different person out there, both physically and from a play standpoint. Argue about his pass rush all you want but he's been incredible setting the edge so far this year.

Ellis is an interesting one. He could be a handshake guy as well. Maybe even one of those PS vets that gets elevated a couple of times and waits for a roster spot to open.

OL is whatever to me honestly. I think Colon is in a good spot as the backup C, assuming Mekari stays as the super sub type. But if we find a swing T somewhere and Mekari gets more work inside, he's in much more danger.

DB is definitely the hard one. I think Levine is oddly in a good spot even if he is one of those handshake guys. Richards gone. Fort on IR. Going to need some veteran presence on that ST unit and might as well be the captain.

As for Boyle/Tomlinson... Tomlinson might be a guy that does what I just described for Ellis. Chills on the PS for a couple of weeks if Boyle isn't ready and gets elevated. Not sure he requires a 53 man spot right off the bat in either case.
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i guess maybe im just lower on mcsorely than you - i dont think he's close to needing to be stashed on i/r when we've got the PS and on the roster he'd be highly likely to be a gameday inactive anyway - and if he gets claimed im honestly not that fussed - i think you just grab a vet or other QB who gets cut from another team and plug them into the PS and let them learn the playbook there but really think it's unlikely any team would be interested in mcsorely - think lots of teams have their own "mcsorely"s that they wouldnt be interested in ours

that's a good point on tomlinson and that PS activation rule really changes the way you construct the roster and makes it far more likely that you cut a vet you know no other team is interested in but might play snaps for you (be that on special teams or at "low value" positions like blocking TE etc.)

and i hadnt considered ellis as that kind of guy either but you're right it makes sense

but agree 100% on the colon situation and it becomes even more precarious if the team starts to trust Bredeson at C at all
 
rossihunter2 said:
i guess maybe im just lower on mcsorely than you - i dont think he's close to needing to be stashed on i/r when we've got the PS and on the roster he'd be highly likely to be a gameday inactive anyway - and if he gets claimed im honestly not that fussed - i think you just grab a vet or other QB who gets cut from another team and plug them into the PS and let them learn the playbook there but really think it's unlikely any team would be interested in mcsorely - think lots of teams have their own "mcsorely"s that they wouldnt be interested in ours

that's a good point on tomlinson and that PS activation rule really changes the way you construct the roster and makes it far more likely that you cut a vet you know no other team is interested in but might play snaps for you (be that on special teams or at "low value" positions like blocking TE etc.)

and i hadnt considered ellis as that kind of guy either but you're right it makes sense

but agree 100% on the colon situation and it becomes even more precarious if the team starts to trust Bredeson at C at all
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I'm not particularly high on McSorley, for whatever it's worth. Just think he has value as a guy that knows the system and you can keep around without much maneuvering. But either way you need to add a QB... if McSorley sticks around on IR, it's probably just a young guy to toss the ball around and run scout team. If McSorley isn't still here, you need to add a fringe NFL level QB at the least.
 
Simba said:
I'm not particularly high on McSorley, for whatever it's worth. Just think he has value as a guy that knows the system and you can keep around without much maneuvering. But either way you need to add a QB... if McSorley sticks around on IR, it's probably just a young guy to toss the ball around and run scout team. If McSorley isn't still here, you need to add a fringe NFL level QB at the least.
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which is why i think he heads to the practice squad when he's healthy enough to go
why i dont think they'll bother i/ring him and they'll just give him an injury settlement so he doesnt need to be on the initial 53
 
rossihunter2 said:
which is why i think he heads to the practice squad when he's healthy enough to go
why i dont think they'll bother i/ring him and they'll just give him an injury settlement so he doesnt need to be on the initial 53
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The injury settlement rules are what complicates that, though. If I remember correctly, he can't re-sign with us for 3 or 4 weeks after whatever the injury settlement is. So you're sans QB3 for however long that is.
 
Simba said:
The injury settlement rules are what complicates that, though. If I remember correctly, he can't re-sign with us for 3 or 4 weeks after whatever the injury settlement is. So you're sans QB3 for however long that is.
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but we would be without him for 3 weeks at least anyway with i/ring him... and he has to make the initial 53 in that scenario too
 
rossihunter2 said:
but we would be without him for 3 weeks at least anyway with i/ring him... and he has to make the initial 53 in that scenario too
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Also true. For what it’s worth, I wouldn’t be mad either way. I just see the gymnastics to get him on IR being a lot easier, assuming a handshake deal with one of the vets. Don’t think he prevents anyone else from making it that otherwise would.
 
Simba said:
Also true. For what it’s worth, I wouldn’t be mad either way. I just see the gymnastics to get him on IR being a lot easier, assuming a handshake deal with one of the vets. Don’t think he prevents anyone else from making it that otherwise would.
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i just think it's more likely that if a handshake deal with the vets happens it's to help keep someone more likely to be claimed like ferguson, boykin, washington, warrior
 
*shrugs*

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Simba said:
I just can't fathom why he'd only get 9 snaps in game 2. Unless they want 7 CBs and they want to see the battle between Westry and Warrior.
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i could see that if warrior was playing more on special teams...

but also hard to say that's a qualifying grade with the number of snaps he's played and probably heavily impacted by the 1 pick (which was nice coverage tbf)
 
cdp said:


Idk what to think of Westry and Wade...
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i just feel like wade might magically go on i/r

with lamar it looks like he's rotating his hand under the ball more as he releases it to rip it a bit more - finger position looks the same as before (first clips at training camp looked like it moved higher on the ball but seems like it moved back pretty quick after that) but looks like he's put more revs on the ball
 
rossihunter2 said:
i could see that if warrior was playing more on special teams...

but also hard to say that's a qualifying grade with the number of snaps he's played and probably heavily impacted by the 1 pick (which was nice coverage tbf)
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Yeah I don't know that Warrior is legit possibility for the roster either. I have him in the question mark category but if I had to pick one guy out of the group most likely to go to the PS, it's him. But then why would he be playing above Wade? It doesn't make a lot of sense.
 
rossihunter2 said:
i just feel like wade might magically go on i/r

with lamar it looks like he's rotating his hand under the ball more as he releases it to rip it a bit more - finger position looks the same as before (first clips at training camp looked like it moved higher on the ball but seems like it moved back pretty quick after that) but looks like he's put more revs on the ball
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Yeah It seems as if he’s sort of cupping his wrist under the ball a bit, and he’s really
Spinning it and releasing it high and the difrerence was noticeable in the balls flight, much cleaner, less fluttering in the air, and it was really launching out of his hand. I said it the day they released OTA footage
 
Simba said:
Yeah I don't know that Warrior is legit possibility for the roster either. I have him in the question mark category but if I had to pick one guy out of the group most likely to go to the PS, it's him. But then why would he be playing above Wade? It doesn't make a lot of sense.
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it feels like they like warrior and it was interesting that chris hewitt said they were comfortable with him at safety so wanted to see what he could do outside - that's not the kind of thing you normally do with "bubble" guys - that's the kind of stuff you do with guys who definitely are or definitely arent making the 53

he's done notably well at outside corner for a safety

but i dont think ive seen him in early on special teams at all... whereas ive seen westry at gunner (albeit i agree with you westry's not looked great in those limited gunner opportunities) on the first punt coverage units
 
rossihunter2 said:
it feels like they like warrior and it was interesting that chris hewitt said they were comfortable with him at safety so wanted to see what he could do outside - that's not the kind of thing you normally do with "bubble" guys - that's the kind of stuff you do with guys who definitely are or definitely arent making the 53

he's done notably well at outside corner for a safety

but i dont think ive seen him in early on special teams at all... whereas ive seen westry at gunner (albeit i agree with you westry's not looked great in those limited gunner opportunities) on the first punt coverage units
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Somewhat but not completely related... could be a fun way to build depth, too. Stephens will be playing S and SCB. Warrior would be CB and S. Ar'Darius if he makes it would be S and SCB. Jimmy got some run at S last year.
 
ravenslord said:
I’ve seen enough of Hill . Overall , he’s mediocre. I say we give Williams a shot as 3rd back.
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I still think the tough part for Williams is the lack of ST contributions so far. Hill isn't great as a runner but at least offers value on gamedays.

Let's be real... pending health, neither Hill nor Williams are likely going to be getting more than a handful of snaps on offense each game. So what is more value - Williams standing on the sideline in uniform but not contributing or Hill at least operating as a gunner and coverage guy on ST? Williams absolutely looks better as a runner but that's not always the best value on Sundays.

I also see no problems with either of them making the PS so if you can keep Williams there, you might as well.
 
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