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2022 Forum Mock: Discussion Thread

All_black_everything said:
Wow. What a turn of events and since I believe in karma I’ll expose my findings.

I had no idea it was a 3-way tie. And upon investigation into the tie I discovered I quoted the wrong message as @rossihunter2 got a bid in just before I did. So I believe this will void my bid and thus eliminate me from the bidoff. @Truth @RavensMania will you confirm before this continues.
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good catch, that is correct and exactly what happened. @rossihunter2 do you want to bidoff for Will Fuller. As it turns you have final five rights
 
RavensMania said:
First, we can't monitor every post to see if the bid before you was the correct bid. It is very easy to see in the search feature that there was a 4 star bid at 12:49 and the next bid was at 3:07 from Detroit for the same 4 stars. If @JO_75 had quoted my bid, I would have increased my bid for Allen Robinson.

We aren't sitting there monitoring the board making sure everything is quoted properly. That is up to the team owners.

The only thing I can say is make sure you are quoting the highest bid, not necessarily the most recent, because there can be mistakes, just like this one.
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I disagree. I've almost always seen bad bids invalidated in the past.

The rules state you must quote the previous highest bid, but there is nothing about this type of situation in the rules.

By the same logic I would have then increased my bid or bid in the final 5. It shouldn't be up to the player to determine if a bid they are quoting is valid when it is the most recent bid.

The bids were only disallowed after bidding was complete. Bidding should continue retroactively for the player, or a bid-off.
 
Giants56Ravens52 said:
I disagree. I've almost always seen bad bids invalidated in the past.

The rules state you must quote the previous highest bid, but there is nothing about this type of situation in the rules.

By the same logic I would have then increased my bid or bid in the final 5. It shouldn't be up to the player to determine if a bid they are quoting is valid when it is the most recent bid.

The bids were only disallowed after bidding was complete. Bidding should continue retroactively for the player, or a bid-off.
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That is correct, you have to post the previous HIGHEST bid, not the previous bid. You quoted the previous, not the highest and that is the point.


Houston missed out for the same reason today for not quoting the highest bid. You aren't the only one this has happened to.
 
I quoted the most recent highest bid. It should not be my responsibility to validate it and make sure nobody else bid the exact same amount prior to it. I'm not searching through bids like that and shouldn't be expected to do so as a player.
 
Giants56Ravens52 said:
If I have to validate every single prior post, then why even have a final 5 or quoting in the first place?
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you can see the stars bid when you do a search and it's easy enough to see based on the time stamp what bid came in first. Unfortunately JO quoted the wrong bid and you only quoted the previous bid. You can easily see that there was a 4 star bid a couple hours earlier though.


*****There was a time when we didn't have the final five rights and the high bid winner. It was a mess at the end. This atleast gives two people a chance to fight it out and during the final five minutes you don't need to quote.
 
RavensMania said:
you can see the stars bid when you do a search and it's easy enough to see based on the time stamp what bid came in first. Unfortunately JO quoted the wrong bid and you only quoted the previous bid. You can easily see that there was a 4 star bid a couple hours earlier though.


*****There was a time when we didn't have the final five rights and the high bid winner. It was a mess at the end. This atleast gives two people a chance to fight it out and during the final five minutes you don't need to quote.
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I don't think you're understanding here.

If I have to search beyond the most recent bid it might as well just be a free for all, because otherwise I have to look back through the entire thread to find which bid is valid and highest since no invalid bids are getting flagged. Otherwise someone can purposefully make an invalid bid to fix the bidding.

The final 5 is great and makes sense to give people a chance in the end for a bid-off. The quoting system only works if invalid bids are getting flagged, because otherwise you have to look back through 8 pages of bids to make sure you're quoting the right bid. If I have to invalidate bids myself there's no point to quoting anything. Just let people bid at that point without quoting
 
Am I at least allowed to challenge this ruling and ask for an impartial review? I think I've made a very logical case here for why I should at least have a chance to bid-off for the player. Especially since I was relying on that bid and it prevented me from bidding on other players so as to not bust my budget.
 
Giants56Ravens52 said:
I don't think you're understanding here.

If I have to search beyond the most recent bid it might as well just be a free for all, because otherwise I have to look back through the entire thread to find which bid is valid and highest since no invalid bids are getting flagged. Otherwise someone can purposefully make an invalid bid to fix the bidding.

The final 5 is great and makes sense to give people a chance in the end for a bid-off. The quoting system only works if invalid bids are getting flagged, because otherwise you have to look back through 8 pages of bids to make sure you're quoting the right bid. If I have to invalidate bids myself there's no point to quoting anything. Just let people bid at that point without quoting
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I’ll interject here a little. While I see your point 110%, and I can definitely empathize with your frustration as I’d probably be frustrated myself, I’m definitely not in favor of getting rid of the quoting system. I know that’s not your point here, but imagine sorting through 8 pages of finding bids without even a starting reference point. Now that, THAT my friend would be complete chaos with a capital C.
 
Sizzle said:
I’ll interject here a little. While I see your point 110%, and I can definitely empathize with your frustration as I’d probably be frustrated myself, I’m definitely not in favor of getting rid of the quoting system. I know that’s not your point here, but imagine sorting through 8 pages of finding bids without even a starting reference point. Now that, THAT my friend would be complete chaos with a capital C.
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If we have to validate the bids ourselves what's the difference? I followed the rules word for word: I quoted the most recent, highest bid. Nothing in there about quoting the most recent valid bid because players aren't supposed to be validating bids by going through the whole thread.
 
Giants56Ravens52 said:
If we have to validate the bids ourselves what's the difference? I followed the rules word for word: I quoted the most recent, highest bid. Nothing in there about quoting the most recent valid bid because players aren't supposed to be validating bids by going through the whole thread.
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Because at least it gives you a reference of the general time the post/bid happened. Instead of looking through 100-200 bid posts from 7pm to the next day at 7pm, all you do is click on the notification and it’ll show you the latest bid if you were quoted, or you’ll at least know what timeframe to look through if you want to keep track of the bidding
 
Sizzle said:
Because at least it gives you a reference of the general time the post/bid happened. Instead of looking through 100-200 bid posts from 7pm to the next day at 7pm, all you do is click on the notification and it’ll show you the latest bid if you were quoted, or you’ll at least know what timeframe to look through if you want to keep track of the bidding
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If you're the one being quoted it definitely helps. If you're the one trying to outbid it doesn't since you'd have to make sure you're quoting a bid that is validly quoting the right prior bid. It means you have to check the whole bidding chain to make sure each prior bid quoted the right bid before it...

In the past invalid quotes have generally been caught and invalidated. In this case it was done 5 minutes after closing, preventing me from bidding in the final 5 or on any other wr

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Giants56Ravens52 said:
I don't think you're understanding here.

If I have to search beyond the most recent bid it might as well just be a free for all, because otherwise I have to look back through the entire thread to find which bid is valid and highest since no invalid bids are getting flagged. Otherwise someone can purposefully make an invalid bid to fix the bidding.

The final 5 is great and makes sense to give people a chance in the end for a bid-off. The quoting system only works if invalid bids are getting flagged, because otherwise you have to look back through 8 pages of bids to make sure you're quoting the right bid. If I have to invalidate bids myself there's no point to quoting anything. Just let people bid at that point without quoting
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no you don't. All you need to do is go up and use the search button. You would be able to tell that there were two 4 star bids. We aren't going to monitor the thread constantly. That's impossible. If we did that it would become a job.
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Just so people are aware, I've noticed with the new site update that sometimes alert notifications don't show up if you're in the thread when you get quoted. It's easy to miss those unless you read through all the new posts or check your alerts tab.
 
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