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Welcome to B-More, John Brown & Michael Crabtree
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OriolesMagicPlease
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It is like we have a wider receiver curse on our team.
Tank
Hall of Famer
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OriolesMagicPlease
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I think that just about explains it all.
Willbacker
Ravens Ring of Honor
I wonder where Richard Simmons disappeared to............oh shit.
RayRayRaven
Veteran
"Locked In" with Joe joe is how it has been perceived. However, all I ever wanted out of dealin JoeJoe was the draft picks. The dead cap never phased me and JoeJoe still had trade value even with the contract. My understanding is ALL signing bonus, even deferred, is incurred by the team that signs the Nonsense Deal. ALL a team taking JoeJoe would have to fork over would be his base salary and options. (I think Joe Joe has even earned all his guarantee at this point...which means they could waive him.) We could still do it, but JoeJoe's residual value has crashed with his substandard play. But there was a time we had it! We just let that window slip by. Had we finished 1-15 for two years running and received pics for JoeJoe I would be livin large! Course we would have had to "exit" the current front office to protect all those early draft picks, but that was part of a master plan that our guys were both not smart enough to perceive and too vested in their own job security to implement. No playoffs since then! In hindsight who was correct? RayRayClairevoyantRaven or Raven's Management? (That's a rhetorical question...yeah its spelled in French...razz me.
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This isn't true at all. The only amount of money that is taken on by the team trading for him is the salary, option bonuses and roster bonues. The initial signing bonus has to be paid by team that offered him the contract."Locked In" with Joe joe is how it has been perceived. However, all I ever wanted out of dealin JoeJoe was the draft picks. The dead cap never phased me and JoeJoe still had trade value even with the contract. My understanding is ALL signing bonus, even deferred, is incurred by the team that signs the Nonsense Deal. ALL a team taking JoeJoe would have to fork over would be his base salary and options. (I think Joe Joe has even earned all his guarantee at this point...which means they could waive him.) We could still do it, but JoeJoe's residual value has crashed with his substandard play. But there was a time we had it! We just let that window slip by. Had we finished 1-15 for two years running and received pics for JoeJoe I would be livin large! Course we would have had to "exit" the current front office to protect all those early draft picks, but that was part of a master plan that our guys were both not smart enough to perceive and too vested in their own job security to implement. No playoffs since then! In hindsight who was correct? RayRayClairevoyantRaven or Raven's Management? (That's a rhetorical question...yeah its spelled in French...razz me.
If you look at spotrac.com or overthecap.com you will see the contract details.
RayRayRaven
Veteran
precisely
if you look at it from the perspective of the "target team"...a.k.a. Cleveland........they were our oyster, but there is no childbirth without pain!
TheCity5
MVP
Yeah, he has a good point. Not trolling but let's be honest here, you don't need to do as much as Joe did to earn 100M.
JoeyFlex5
Hall of Famer
Thats not how guaranteed money works. That money was paid at the time of signing by us, since it was already paid it has to be removed from our cap. No avoiding guaranteed money"Locked In" with Joe joe is how it has been perceived. However, all I ever wanted out of dealin JoeJoe was the draft picks. The dead cap never phased me and JoeJoe still had trade value even with the contract. My understanding is ALL signing bonus, even deferred, is incurred by the team that signs the Nonsense Deal. ALL a team taking JoeJoe would have to fork over would be his base salary and options. (I think Joe Joe has even earned all his guarantee at this point...which means they could waive him.) We could still do it, but JoeJoe's residual value has crashed with his substandard play. But there was a time we had it! We just let that window slip by. Had we finished 1-15 for two years running and received pics for JoeJoe I would be livin large! Course we would have had to "exit" the current front office to protect all those early draft picks, but that was part of a master plan that our guys were both not smart enough to perceive and too vested in their own job security to implement. No playoffs since then! In hindsight who was correct? RayRayClairevoyantRaven or Raven's Management? (That's a rhetorical question...yeah its spelled in French...razz me.
52520Andrew
Pro Bowler
Well this thread took a turn
Dom McRaven
Hall of Famer
Kinda interesting what happens when you let free agency play out, right?
JoeyFlex5
Hall of Famer
why crabtree is a great signing for us:
all the best wrs have something in common, theyre naturals at it, but this is very specifically for us. we had 3 guys who were absolute naturals at this, they were just blessed with a natural ability to play wr, stopping on a dime, contorting your body to adjust to a pass, the neck turn and vision to track a ball in the air, the hand eye coordination to get your hands on a ball, the spatial awareness to split defenders or to work the boundaries, it all second nature to them, and all these things that you just cant coach that separates athletes from wrs, crabtree has it. he may drop the ball a bit, but he has one thing that all the ravens greats at wr have had, natural ability. derrick mason, anquan boldin, steve smith,and even dennis pitta and todd heap, they were all naturals, they worked hard at their craft for sure, but they were born with an innate ability to get their hands on a ball in circumstances that a mike wallace or torrey smith simply can not.
this innate ability is some shit that we desperately lack. mike wallace, chris moore, and breshad perriman, all look awkward and labored trying to catch the ball. they dont work back to it, they dont attack it, they dont have the flexibility or hand-eye coordination to track them and pluck them out of the air, they dont highpoint well and toe tap or turn upfield well, it all just looks very difficult for them to catch the ball. crabtree, for all his drops, doesnt have these issues, he can get his damn hands on that ball and come down inbounds with it as well any receiver in the league, but as a massive bonus, hes a craftsman, hes smart and sneaky and highly polished, physical and savvy route runner with supreme awareness and knack for slipping out of coverage. crabtree changes our offense, because we now have a guy who can be relied on even without separation, if nobody is open, flacco can throw it to crabtree in moments of desparation, we now have a chance to haul in those desparate passes, which we havent had since steve smith.
all the best wrs have something in common, theyre naturals at it, but this is very specifically for us. we had 3 guys who were absolute naturals at this, they were just blessed with a natural ability to play wr, stopping on a dime, contorting your body to adjust to a pass, the neck turn and vision to track a ball in the air, the hand eye coordination to get your hands on a ball, the spatial awareness to split defenders or to work the boundaries, it all second nature to them, and all these things that you just cant coach that separates athletes from wrs, crabtree has it. he may drop the ball a bit, but he has one thing that all the ravens greats at wr have had, natural ability. derrick mason, anquan boldin, steve smith,and even dennis pitta and todd heap, they were all naturals, they worked hard at their craft for sure, but they were born with an innate ability to get their hands on a ball in circumstances that a mike wallace or torrey smith simply can not.
this innate ability is some shit that we desperately lack. mike wallace, chris moore, and breshad perriman, all look awkward and labored trying to catch the ball. they dont work back to it, they dont attack it, they dont have the flexibility or hand-eye coordination to track them and pluck them out of the air, they dont highpoint well and toe tap or turn upfield well, it all just looks very difficult for them to catch the ball. crabtree, for all his drops, doesnt have these issues, he can get his damn hands on that ball and come down inbounds with it as well any receiver in the league, but as a massive bonus, hes a craftsman, hes smart and sneaky and highly polished, physical and savvy route runner with supreme awareness and knack for slipping out of coverage. crabtree changes our offense, because we now have a guy who can be relied on even without separation, if nobody is open, flacco can throw it to crabtree in moments of desparation, we now have a chance to haul in those desparate passes, which we havent had since steve smith.
JoeyFlex5
Hall of Famer
hey why dont you stop trying to fucking reason with us you nerd, take that rational shit elsewhere.
Dom McRaven
Hall of Famer
DeVito52
Ravens Ring of Honor
People forget Steve Smith had drop problems throughout his career as well. It didn’t stop him from being great.
Oldfaithful
Hall of Famer
Flex on him
allblackraven
Hall of Famer
* dey woz blessed *