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Another former players revenge game...
Jk Dobbins
Gus Edwards
Hayden Hurst
Bradley Boseman
Sam Mustipher
Eric Timlinson
Tony Jefferson

Not to mention Greg Roman revenge game/

Pretty insane how many
Bah. Every single one of them had to make room for a better player.
And the proof will be in the pudding on Monday.
 
I know it’s the Lamar effect but I’ve been seeing so many more Ravens fans around. Growing up i remember saying I was a Ravens fans and people would look at me like “who tf is that” lol

Now… I’ll see a random Ravens fan every couple weeks. It’s pretty cool tbh. I expect a big crowd in LA next week
Man I remember going to Myrtle beach in summer 2019, I wore my Lamar jersey going to the bar for a preseason game, I got a few shout outs for my jersey choice.

This was before any mvp performances. Humble beginnings.
 
Every statistic out there still has us at the top of the draft rankings. More players drafted by the Ravens in the league than any other team. Don’t let the misses skew the hits. We’ve drafted extremely well. Some guys just may not show it until year 3 or so. And some guys will suck and never make it, but we’ve hit on a lot more than we've missed recently.
I talk a lot of shit about how we hold onto picks that I feel we could’ve let go for a trade, like a Calais Campbell trade, which I maintain would’ve been HUGE for us, but aside from that one annoying point, yeah we still draft well.

If oweh can keep playing like he played against the Steelers then our draft ability looks much better, if Bateman doesn’t shrink in big moments and blow games for us, same thing. We had 2 first round picks and both guys are so hit or miss week to week, it really sours what’s otherwise been a good run of drafting.

Side note, I believe if Ben Cleveland got to start at RG this year our drafting would look substantially better. Faalele is still extremely iffy, he’s improved a lot since week 2, but it feels like he’s always due to have a really bad snap. I still feel confident that Cleveland would be a more sound and more consistent starter at RG.
 
Bah. Every single one of them had to make room for a better player.
And the proof will be in the pudding on Monday.
I feel you, but one player in particular hurts to see playing for another team, and that’s Gus Bus. Hate seeing him somewhere else. Homegrown fan favorite who is just a much better back than he ever got credit for.
 
He’s gonna get extended
I wouldn't be surprised if he already has. There's no chance he ever coaches as a lame duck coach.
If we make the playoffs again, he's 100% getting extended, and it wouldn't shock me to see an article six months from now saying he was extended at some point mid-season. Coaching contract extensions aren't always released publicly. A lot of times they happen without anybody knowing.\

Also, it kind of doesn't matter. How frequently are coaching changes made when the HC's contract "expires"? Teams generally don't have issues firing coaches mid-contract.
 
Every statistic out there still has us at the top of the draft rankings. More players drafted by the Ravens in the league than any other team. Don’t let the misses skew the hits. We’ve drafted extremely well. Some guys just may not show it until year 3 or so. And some guys will suck and never make it, but we’ve hit on a lot more than we've missed recently.
Its the 2nd round. It just sucks for decades. Rosengarten, who's currently a rookie and looks average (though I'm sure he'll improve) is literally like a top 2-3 2nd round pick in the last decade. Today.

Rosengarten
Ojabo
Dobbins
Bowser
Correia
Maxx Williams
Jernigan
Arthur Brown

Those are the second round picks since the SB. We had some really good one's from 08-12, but its fucking dreadful since.

Also, while every GM struggles here, EDC has really struggled in rounds 5-7. We don't have a significant contributor from those rounds currently in the last four draft classes, and the only one's who did anything since 2019 are Broderick Washington and Geno Stone (who's gone)
 
Its the 2nd round. It just sucks for decades. Rosengarten, who's currently a rookie and looks average (though I'm sure he'll improve) is literally like a top 2-3 2nd round pick in the last decade. Today.

Rosengarten
Ojabo
Dobbins
Bowser
Correia
Maxx Williams
Jernigan
Arthur Brown

Those are the second round picks since the SB. We had some really good one's from 08-12, but its fucking dreadful since.

Also, while every GM struggles here, EDC has really struggled in rounds 5-7. We don't have a significant contributor from those rounds currently in the last four draft classes, and the only one's who did anything since 2019 are Broderick Washington and Geno Stone (who's gone)
Doesn't change the fact that we've still been better than the league average with those misses. I won't argue with the 2nd round - that's definitely a big miss and could take a lot of our classes from good to great if we could hit there.

You can miss me with the late day 3 stuff though. Yeah it sucks to see us blow picks on guys like Tyler Badie and Kyu Kelly who never play here, but that's more the rule than the exception for most teams out there. It may have been awhile since we've gotten a gem that like but we're at least getting contributors unlike most teams.

(I'm also not penalizing 2021 and 2023 which were historically bad draft classes)
 
Doesn't change the fact that we've still been better than the league average with those misses. I won't argue with the 2nd round - that's definitely a big miss and could take a lot of our classes from good to great if we could hit there.

You can miss me with the late day 3 stuff though. Yeah it sucks to see us blow picks on guys like Tyler Badie and Kyu Kelly who never play here, but that's more the rule than the exception for most teams out there. It may have been awhile since we've gotten a gem that like but we're at least getting contributors unlike most teams.

(I'm also not penalizing 2021 and 2023 which were historically bad draft classes)
it is interesting that we have a better hit rate with UDFAs than late round picks. That being said, we have had some nice picks in the later rounds as well. Some drafts like the Tyler Badie and Kyu Kelly (same draft) draft were just poor drafts depth wise. Also the year we picked that corner out of Ohio State where we immediately traded him to the Pats. That draft wasn't a good one either.
 
it is interesting that we have a better hit rate with UDFAs than late round picks. That being said, we have had some nice picks in the later rounds as well. Some drafts like the Tyler Badie and Kyu Kelly (same draft) draft were just poor drafts depth wise. Also the year we picked that corner out of Ohio State where we immediately traded him to the Pats. That draft wasn't a good one either.
2021 was the Covid year draft where it was a super tiny class and guys opted to stay in college

2023 was the first NIL effect class where guys again chose to stay in to get the money there
 
Its the 2nd round. It just sucks for decades. Rosengarten, who's currently a rookie and looks average (though I'm sure he'll improve) is literally like a top 2-3 2nd round pick in the last decade. Today.

Rosengarten
Ojabo
Dobbins
Bowser
Correia
Maxx Williams
Jernigan
Arthur Brown

Those are the second round picks since the SB. We had some really good one's from 08-12, but its fucking dreadful since.

Also, while every GM struggles here, EDC has really struggled in rounds 5-7. We don't have a significant contributor from those rounds currently in the last four draft classes, and the only one's who did anything since 2019 are Broderick Washington and Geno Stone (who's gone)
Bowser starting in year 3 I believe was pretty good and was extended and continued to improve...until his injury. Dobbins was a very good pick, he just couldn't stay healthy. That being said, I agree with you overall.
 
2021 was the Covid year draft where it was a super tiny class and guys opted to stay in college

2023 was the first NIL effect class where guys again chose to stay in to get the money there
I'm hoping the NIL effect starts to level out and we have another good class.
 
Doesn't change the fact that we've still been better than the league average with those misses. I won't argue with the 2nd round - that's definitely a big miss and could take a lot of our classes from good to great if we could hit there.

You can miss me with the late day 3 stuff though. Yeah it sucks to see us blow picks on guys like Tyler Badie and Kyu Kelly who never play here, but that's more the rule than the exception for most teams out there. It may have been awhile since we've gotten a gem that like but we're at least getting contributors unlike most teams.

(I'm also not penalizing 2021 and 2023 which were historically bad draft classes)
I think the difference is Ozzie would fairly routinely get a significant contributor, or even an impact player, out of the late rounds.
Deshon Elliott
Bradley Bozeman
Jermaine Eluemunor
Chuck Clark
Matt Judon
Nick Boyle
Darren Waller
Ricky Wagner
Ryan Jensen
Pernell McPhee
Arthur Jones

All 5th-7th round picks taken by Ozzie over a ten year period. Not all of those guys were impact players for us, but many pretty much all of them were productive here and/or had lengthy, productive careers elsewhere. He would routinely find one of those guys per year, on average.

Not only are we almost entirely whiffing, the guys we're taking are basically out of the league entirely within 3-4 years. Not uncommon league-wide, but the fact that we're using so many of these picks and can't even find one solid contributor is troubling.

With that track record, coupled with the 2nd round picks, you're basically taking 50% of your draft class as dead $. That means in order to have a good draft, you kind of have to nail the 1st, 3rd and 4th rounders. We have in some, but whiffed in others.

I have no idea what the issue with 2nd round is. But if its something where our scouting is just whiffing a lot, I think there's credence to the idea that maybe trading that pick away for proven talent is much more desirable. We've done it several times now, but I think its one of those things where people ask "ok, we were willing to give up a 3rd for Lattimore, why not a late 2nd if we're that bad in the 2nd". Or maybe its a third + a 6th, which has been a throwaway for EDC.

That's just one example and one player. Not saying that's the right deal, but its the logic behind it. There is something to be said for us being too protective of mid and late round draft picks on a "supposedly" SB caliber roster.
 
Its the 2nd round. It just sucks for decades. Rosengarten, who's currently a rookie and looks average (though I'm sure he'll improve) is literally like a top 2-3 2nd round pick in the last decade. Today.

Rosengarten
Ojabo
Dobbins
Bowser
Correia
Maxx Williams
Jernigan
Arthur Brown

Those are the second round picks since the SB. We had some really good one's from 08-12, but its fucking dreadful since.

Also, while every GM struggles here, EDC has really struggled in rounds 5-7. We don't have a significant contributor from those rounds currently in the last four draft classes, and the only one's who did anything since 2019 are Broderick Washington and Geno Stone (who's gone)
Wasnt drafted but adarius washington could possibly be a really factor for us
 
Wasnt drafted but adarius washington could possibly be a really factor for us
Correct. We've been I think well above average league-wide with UDFAs. So that's a plus. I think the gap between like a 6th rounder and a UDFA is very small league-wide, and so there is some consideration that if you whiff on a 6th or 7th rounder, but land a good UDFA, that washes out. Which is true.
But at the same time, if you could use that pick to get a veteran, or package it with another pick to get a veteran, that would improve the roster AND wouldn't negate your ability to sign a UDFA like Washington.
 
We are also only considering when EDC took over, but we also don't know how much of an impact he had with those successful late round picks in the years prior to taking over.
 
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