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The Running Game, the Turnovers, and the Same Ol’ Ravens

That's the thing. There's 7 years of data. That's not small. That's half of Lamar's career! And obviously, presumably the better half of it.

There's clearly something wrong because we can't get over the top. Maybe it's luck. Maybe it's Harbs. Maybe it's EDC.

I won't pretend to know, but what I can say confidently is you have more than enough sample size to be sure something ain't right
The playoffs is still a tiny sample size of one-off games against the best teams.

Most losses can be explained.
2018 Coaching Malpractice
2019 Roman panicking

Those losses caused Lamar to start to get "antsy" in the post season

2020 Roman & Bad Lamar
2021 Roman & Huntley (because Roman already killed Lamar in the reg season)
2022 Roman & Huntley (because Roman already killed Lamar in the reg season)
2023 Monken not running it & Bad Lamar
2024 Bad start & Andrews (but at least playoff Lamar is fixed)

Still depressing as fuck though
 
The likely hood of that being a positive play was less than 2.5% just stop it. Lamar made a mistake it’s ok
Again why should he just eat it, you haven’t given a reason. By your logic vs the Bengals when he dropped the snap he should’ve just eaten that ball too and gone to 3rd down
 
Why? He always makes those plays and only had one guy to beat to make it a gain of nothing or even a small positive play. It’s real results-based thinking to say that he should’ve just gone down when he makes something out of nothing once a week
I think you should watch the play again. The snap was high and left, Lamar caught it fine, controlled and then just dropped it when trying to run. He just dropped it.
 
Lamar deserves criticism for sure. I’d agree the fumble was and wasn’t his fault. That’s because while it was a bad snap, you have to realize the environment and try to contain damage. That is what makes Lamar great though is he manages to turn those plays around. With all that, Lamar also managed to bring us back in the game to nearly win it. That’s really good

I’m not sure the outcome changes with Zay either but maybe because I think he catches those balls. Andrews definitely has some issues though and deserves some of the blame. I’d say his fumble was more egregious than either other turnover.

Bills played a good game though. Their defense is concerning. I’m not sure they can beat KC but let’s see, maybe they can. I’m hating the potential rematch we may see in the Super Bowl again this year.
 
The playoffs is still a tiny sample size of one-off games against the best teams.

Most losses can be explained.
2018 Coaching Malpractice
2019 Roman panicking

Those losses caused Lamar to start to get "antsy" in the post season

2020 Roman & Bad Lamar
2021 Roman & Huntley (because Roman already killed Lamar in the reg season)
2022 Roman & Huntley (because Roman already killed Lamar in the reg season)
2023 Monken not running it & Bad Lamar
2024 Bad start & Andrews (but at least playoff Lamar is fixed)

Still depressing as fuck though
I get your point. To me though, it's a bit too generous of explain aways
 
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Losing to the Chiefs last season took a good while for me to get over, but this loss is also going to sting for a long time, probably longer.
 
I think you should watch the play again. The snap was high and left, Lamar caught it fine, controlled and then just dropped it when trying to run. He just dropped it.
The part about the snap wasn’t just that it was off, it was because it was off that Lamar had to eat it and do something himself. They wanted a screen pass but the delay threw the whole timing off and that’s what killed it
 
Outside of 2 plays I’m not entirely sure what you’re basing that on.

He was aces on the first drive and would’ve had a TD on the 3rd or 4th but the line sold out twice which pushes us back instead of just giving Henry any room to run.
I think he missed a few throws? Maybe I'm off because the whole offense was a nightmare. But I do weigh those 2 plays pretty heavily. He had a guy around his leg and should have gone down at that point.

2nd half Lamar was better, and I think he showed why he should be MVP with those drives he put together.
 
Two things can be true at once
1. Andrews sucked
2. Lamar sucked, although a little less than Andrews
 
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Again why should he just eat it, you haven’t given a reason. By your logic vs the Bengals when he dropped the snap he should’ve just eaten that ball too and gone to 3rd down
Are you serious ? Punting from
That spot on the field vs given the Bills the ball in plus territory maybe ….
 
The part about the snap wasn’t just that it was off, it was because it was off that Lamar had to eat it and do something himself. They wanted a screen pass but the delay threw the whole timing off and that’s what killed it
Sure, it was a broken play because of the snap, that happens. But Lamar just dropped the ball after he controlled the bad snap. No matter what you can’t just drop the ball.
 
This game is heartbreaking because of the mistakes. My roommate asked today if the Ravens had a shot of winning the Super Bowl and I said if they don't beat themselves, then yes, they're the most well rounded team in the AFC.

The drop by Henry on the first drive was a surefire touchdown. It didn't end up mattering, but that's not a drop you can have in the playoffs.

The interception was pretty bad. No real defending it. I think with another second before Milano barrels in and it's not an interception. Again, didn't end up giving up points, but it's a mistake you cannot make.

I am of the mindset that Lamar should have fallen down when Hamlin came in on the fumble. Just take the sack. However, it probably doesn't reach that point it the snap isn't atrocious. And we might not have the atrocious snap if Andrews doesn't drop the ball. That's a one yard to go play- I bet they run Henry from the I there.

I also am baffled by the DPI call on White. At best, it's a very clear OPI. At worst, you say both were fighting for position and it's a no call. That was a four point swing and it sealed the Ravens chances of potentially getting another crack at a drive. That was such a critical flag and a horrible one, too.

Still, the Ravens fought back. Lamar played well and fought back. He was dealing in the second half. The Bills couldn't stop a runny nose in the second half and Andrews just fumbled it. That's a potential go ahead drive.

Defense does their thing and gets a stop. Ravens are still in it.

Lamar does his magic and it's looking like OT with an outside chance at maybe a game winning field goal with a quick stop? Andrews dropped arguably the biggest gimme of the game.

Yeah, Lamar's turnovers were bad, but he played really well outside of those two plays. Yes, those two plays were HUGE and can't be ignored, but Lamar battled and made up for it. Andrews? He just really sold the game. In eight playoff games, he's shrunk consistently and had zero touchdown catches. I love Andrews, but man he really dropped the ball on the season.

I'm saying the next part because I need somewhere to share where no one knows me. I don't want questions or condolences or anything. I just want to share my frustration and heartbreak.

In 2016, my brother died unexpectedly in November. He was a HUGE Falcons fan. He didn't get to see Matt Ryan's MVP or the Super Bowl run.

When the Falcons collapsed after being up 28-3, I was shattered. I missed work for so many days after because I didn't want to see anyone or hear anyone talk about the game.

I honestly thought no sports moment would be more heartbreaking than that.

This was more heartbreaking.

This will likely be the last Ravens game I watch with my mom ever unless a miracle happens. I was praying so hard for a Super Bowl for her and instead the Ravens come up just barely so short. I have so many years ahead of me to hopefully see Lamar win a Super Bowl and see the Ravens hoist a Lombardi again, but this was probably the last chance for her.

I got really into football in Flacco's rookie year and started watching every game in 2010. I think it was 2011 or 2012 when she started to join me just to hangout and by 2016 when I was finished with college, she watched every game with me as a fan. She loves the Ravens and Lamar.

I'm so fucking heartbroken right now. I really hate being so invested in something I have no control over, but I am happy that it was something my mom and I did together for so many years.
 
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