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The Running Game, the Turnovers, and the Same Ol’ Ravens

rossihunter2 said:
I just think if your goal is to upgrade Bateman you’re probably spending too much capital for little actual gain

Id definitely love to be 3 deep at WR though
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maybe a day 2 pick. In your opinion would you prefer a move your chains possession type or even a Hollywood type ---- even a reunion may be beneficial since it's no longer Greg Roman.
 
D1City55 said:
Patrick Mahomes has about 9 turnovers and commits 1.3 turnovers a game I believe. The Interception IMO did not have much of an impact. The Fumble I will admit was bad but we’ve seen him make those plays time and time again. He battled back down double digits on the road, had a clutch drive to nearly tie the game against a great team, that I don’t think he would’ve done years ago.
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It may not have given the bills points, but that’s a drive that could easily put the game in our favor and keep it there, and the fact that it was pretty inexcusable and needless. Like it was just a panicked throw that was way over and the read was never really there to begin with.

Had that one not been thrown, the fumbles later may not have even mattered. It’s another turnover in a game where you’re gonna lose if you turn it over, every turnover is gonna dramatically reduce your chance of winning, three was back breaking and we were bound to lose, had we driven and scored on that second drive then we would’ve had leeway to make a mistake like the bad snap fumble and it wouldn’t have basically doomed us.
 
29BmoreBird22 said:
Maybe it was a bit low, but it wasn't an astoundingly bad throw or anything. It was waist level and on the body. Mark Andrews got two hands on it very cleanly. It wasn't a tough catch by any stretch of the imagination.

We could really be nitpicky about the timing and the placement, but I think the fact of the matter is Lamar wanted to throw a soft pass that wouldn't be too hard or off target and didn't want to lead Andrews out of bounds due to the momentum of the play. All things considered, that pass was definitely good enough to be caught and it wasn't a particularly tough catch, either.

I genuinely have no idea how Andrews dropped it and trying to place the blame on Lamar is wild to me because that's a ball that was on Andrews body and hit both hands fully, not just like fingertips.
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Now maybe it's just me, but anytime I watched the replay to the drop (takes a lot of willpower just to watch a replay), I feel like it would've gotten deflected or batted by a defender if he throws it earlier.
 
JoeyFlex5 said:
It may not have given the bills points, but that’s a drive that could easily put the game in our favor and keep it there, and the fact that it was pretty inexcusable and needless. Like it was just a panicked throw that was way over and the read was never really there to begin with.

Had that one not been thrown, the fumbles later may not have even mattered. It’s another turnover in a game where you’re gonna lose if you turn it over, every turnover is gonna dramatically reduce your chance of winning, three was back breaking and we were bound to lose, had we driven and scored on that second drive then we would’ve had leeway to make a mistake like the bad snap fumble and it wouldn’t have basically doomed us.
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he needed to hold the safety a bit longer and Bateman needs to run the right route. If he holds the safety, the pass still may not have been caught, but it would have landed incomplete to live another down.

 
rossihunter2 said:
Tbf though - this year they all overcame it as a team until mark shat the bed

They all had the normal jitters, and then were driving with a chance to take the lead until mark fumbled

And then they overcame that with the TD drive, only for mark to drop the conversion

I don’t get everyone who said the bills would probably go down and score to win after we tied it either… what had the bills shown all the 2nd half that made anyone think the defence wouldn’t hold them?

Lots of mistakes were made but in terms of game situation and time, it’s hard not to put this loss squarely on Andrews’ shoulders

And that’s not to absolve others of blame but to clarify that without his mistakes late on, I bet we win
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Its not squarely on Andrews at all. I can assign a ton of blame in so many places. But even if you want to be generous and say there was some in game overcoming of stuff (i agree there was), when it counted, someone yet again blew it.

Every year an ensemble of people find a way to blow it. I even agree this felt the closest, but the result remains the same nonetheless. The jitters in the beginning were too much to overcome. Those things just can't happen at all if you want to win a SB
 
RavensMania said:
he needed to hold the safety a bit longer and Bateman needs to run the right route. If he holds the safety, the pass still may not have been caught, but it would have landed incomplete to live another down.

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It was a floater, winged up into the wind. I couldn't believe it when I saw it. lol
 
Definitely all about the turnovers

2 forced TO forced in 8 games with Lamar. In comparison :
Chiefs : 21 in 19 games with Patrick Mahomes
Bills : 13 in 11 games with Josh Allen
Bengals : 13 in 7 games with Joe Burrow
 
rmcjacket23 said:
On the last part... the issue with the turnovers is it simply takes the ball out of your hands. People wanted us to run it more. Well one way to run it more is to possess the ball more. When you turn it over three times, by definition, you possess it less.

I think small failures can be overcome. Big one's can't. There was at least two massive failures in this game (the fumbles) that changed everything about this game.
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We're in agreement across the board here.

I didn't see the lack of running to be an issue. As you said, the Ravens didn't have many possessions in the first half to run more because of back to back turnovers. And in the second half, the Ravens were scoring, anyway. There wasn't a point where running was the better option. Perhaps the 2PT plays? But even those were open, but not executed.

And yes, both fumbles were back breakers.

The first gave the Bills the TD (the DPI really hurt, but that's a different discussion) and ensured the Ravens didn't get one final drive to end the half.

The second fumble meant the Ravens potential go ahead drive was halted and the Bills scored a field goal, making the final drive a must have 8 point drive.

Either of those fumbles don't happen and the Ravens have a very good shot at winning.
 
29BmoreBird22 said:
I 100% agree.

The Ravens were down 11 and had two turnovers going into the second half. Under MM or Roman, Lamar and the Ravens continue to spiral and continue to dig into a deeper hole that they never recover from.

Hell, even after the fumble, that was a perfect time for Lamar to unravel.

Instead, Lamar leads four scoring drives and was definitely on pace for a fifth had Andrews not fumbled.

It's a pretty big travesty that the Ravens were on the two and had to settle for a field goal, but Lamar came back from back to back turnovers to hit Bateman for a 42 yard completion.

And as you said, game on the line and Lamar overthrew the first pass, but then hit every single other pass and led the Ravens 88 yards without Bateman or Flowers. And it was 100% a Lamar led drive. Absolute ice in his veins.

I have said so many times, but we can't ignore the turnovers. They weren't good. The fumble ultimately ended up being incredibly costly due to it leading to 7 and ending the first half (off a BS DPI, but I digress.) However, Lamar battled back and was damn near perfect from there on out. He more than made up for the mistakes he made. He showed real growth.
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Yeah I agree, back, then he probably would've folded. He showed really growth with that last drive. It was truly sick. I'm not worried about him in the playoffs going forward honestly. He has to cut on the turnovers but it really means that he has to be perfect. Brady, Mahomes, Manning..they all had turnovers in their Super Bowl runs...I mean Patrick Mahomes threw multiple picks in his first SB run and I believe threw an interception last Super Bowl. I feel like a big problem is the rest of the team collapses when Lamar has a turnover. It feels like Lamar can't have a bad moment or a bad play, he just has to be perfect for us to win and that's just not going to be a formula we can run with.
 
Tank said:
I think our strengths as a team and how we distribute our resources($ and draft) have changed greatly. My views may shift with circumstance, but not for any other reason.
Seems your views on the distribution of blame are much different now as well, but carry on. lol
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Well, yeah, the strength of the team being the offense (which is debatable given how great the defense usually is; the Ravens are just a really well rounded team) was shifted toward because of Lamar. Even if the Ravens adopted this same philosophy with Flacco (they largely did; it's mostly a contium with Lamar), Flacco isn't doing anything near leading one of the best offenses in the NFL for every year he's healthy.

Despite this, there's just something about Flacco... seems like the type I'd let date my daughter, unlike that Lamar fellow.
 
Dom McRaven said:
Now maybe it's just me, but anytime I watched the replay to the drop (takes a lot of willpower just to watch a replay), I feel like it would've gotten deflected or batted by a defender if he throws it earlier.
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And that very well may be true. It hasn't been a replay I'm excited to watch over again.
 
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