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2025 Offseason Thread

rmcjacket23 said:
3. Parity existing in the NFL is a measurement of financial success, not on-field success. They're different things. Individual teams make more $ than others, and draw higher TV ratings than others. The redistribution of wealth after the fact only bolsters the financial statements of the org, it doesn't bolster the TV ratings or their ability to draw $. Hence why they favor certain teams over others for primetime games.
Parity on-field, in terms of team performance, really isn't any better or worse than the three other major sports.
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Yes, yes it does bolster the TV ratings because small market teams aren't farm teams for the top 10 markets like in every other pro league. In the NFL, all 32 fan bases are tuned in to the offseason with Free Agency because all 32 teams can afford major Free Agents. Small market teams become perennial powerhouses and gain national fan bases. Every single team, no matter how bad the owner, no matter how hapless, is a 3 yr rebuild away from hoisting a trophy. The parity is so unique that not only can a bottom feeder beat a top team any given Sunday, they can KICK THIER TEETH IN.

MLB is nothing like that, small market teams can win a division but the top 10 markets win 80% of the championships, the top 15 win them all. NBA small market teams are only competitive through draft lottery luck until their generational player hits FA. Let's not talk about international soccer.
 
Baltimorican said:
Yes, yes it does bolster the TV ratings because small market teams aren't farm teams for the top 10 markets like in every other pro league. In the NFL, all 32 fan bases are tuned in to the offseason with Free Agency because all 32 teams can afford major Free Agents. Small market teams become perennial powerhouses and gain national fan bases. Every single team, no matter how bad the owner, no matter how hapless, is a 3 yr rebuild away from hoisting a trophy. The parity is so unique that not only can a bottom feeder beat a top team any given Sunday, they can KICK THIER TEETH IN.

MLB is nothing like that, small market teams can win a division but the top 10 markets win 80% of the championships, the top 15 win them all. NBA small market teams are only competitive through draft lottery luck until their generational player hits FA. Let's not talk about international soccer.
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OK, but if I'm one of the rebuilding teams, then the NFL should wait until I've finished the rebuild, then put me on primetime. It's financially disadvantageous to both the league and the team itself to be put in primetime under the caveat of "we think you'll be really good in three years".

MLB is nothing like that because the structure of the league is nothing like that. There's no salary cap.

The reason the Yankees franchise is so valuable is because the Yankees make a lot of $. They sell more tickets than most teams, they sell higher valued tickets than most teams, and they have a lucrative TV network dedicated to just them.

The reason why the Cleveland Browns franchise is so valuable is because the Browns make a LOT of $ off things that have nothing to do with the Browns. Namely, the performance of other teams in their league and how appealing other teams in the league are to watch.

That's why the NFL does what it does. Because teams that don't draw as good of ratings as others are financially better off being in primetime slots. The beneficial, financially to the "smaller market teams". Mahomes playing a road SNF game against Dallas can, conceivably, make more $ for Cleveland, then Cleveland would playing a road SNF game against Tennessee. The league will make substantially more $ in scenario A, and thus distribute significantly more $ to the other teams in the NFL.
 
rossihunter2 said:
Was kind of thinking that with Hamilton and starks lol

Like somehow starks has to suck because we can’t have 2 stars at safety
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The more I’ve heard from starks, film study and interviews and behind the scenes and such, reports on his off-field football habits and iq, the more I think he’s gonna take really well to nfl coaching the way Hamilton did, and quickly hit stride and then take off. Everything indicates that he’s super mature and high iq, and he’s got supreme movement skills to play safety.
 
JoeyFlex5 said:
The more I’ve heard from starks, film study and interviews and behind the scenes and such, reports on his off-field football habits and iq, the more I think he’s gonna take really well to nfl coaching the way Hamilton did, and quickly hit stride and then take off. Everything indicates that he’s super mature and high iq, and he’s got supreme movement skills to play safety.
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Hamilton did struggle early

Had a few welcome to the nfl moments as a rookie… improved later in the year

Became a superstar in year 2

Would not surprise me if starks followed a similar trajectory
 
rossihunter2 said:
Hamilton did struggle early

Had a few welcome to the nfl moments as a rookie… improved later in the year

Became a superstar in year 2

Would not surprise me if starks followed a similar trajectory
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he started to pick it up in the 2nd half of the year. Didn't help with the carrover injuries to our DB's in 2022, but yes he could start slow.

That being said, Starks has a guy named Hamilton playing next to him. Hamilton didn't have that benefit.
 
RavensMania said:
he started to pick it up in the 2nd half of the year. Didn't help with the carrover injuries to our DB's in 2022, but yes he could start slow.

That being said, Starks has a guy named Hamilton playing next to him. Hamilton didn't have that benefit.
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Wasnt marucs there his rookie year?
 
Deebo813 said:
Wasnt marucs there his rookie year?
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Marcus Peters was there but early in the year he was on a snap count and in that infamous Dolphins game didn't play the 2nd half and neither did Humphrey. The entire backfield fell apart with rookies all over the defensive backfield
 
RavensMania said:
Marcus Peters was there but early in the year he was on a snap count and in that infamous Dolphins game didn't play the 2nd half and neither did Humphrey. The entire backfield fell apart with rookies all over the defensive backfield
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Im talking marcus williams.. i think marcus was there but was injured.. hamilton did have a little help. Marcus might be ass now but before that injury, he was playing well
 
Deebo813 said:
Im talking marcus williams.. i think marcus was there but was injured.. hamilton did have a little help. Marcus might be ass now but before that injury, he was playing well
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That was his first year with us and in the beginning of the year he was healthy until week 6.
 
The current OL depth chart is so weird. It's deep but it's also not.

Feels like you have 8 guys entrenched into roster spots - the presumed starting 5 and Noteboom, Jones, and Vinson - pending health of course. Then you have guys like Cleveland, Samac, and Dellinger who could all compete but are also probably not significantly better than Dalcourt, Bullock, or the UDFAs.
 
Simba said:
The current OL depth chart is so weird. It's deep but it's also not.

Feels like you have 8 guys entrenched into roster spots - the presumed starting 5 and Noteboom, Jones, and Vinson - pending health of course. Then you have guys like Cleveland, Samac, and Dellinger who could all compete but are also probably not significantly better than Dalcourt, Bullock, or the UDFAs.
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im guessing they'll continue with the cleveland C experiment as well otherwise your only backup C is Samac (which would make him virtually a lock to make the 53 as well)
 
rossihunter2 said:
im guessing they'll continue with the cleveland C experiment as well otherwise your only backup C is Samac (which would make him virtually a lock to make the 53 as well)
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Yeah I wouldn’t be shocked if they have multiple guys taking reps there come minicamps. Samac and Cleveland obviously. Dalcourt did it last year. Maybe you see if Dellinger can do it. Not a lot of inspiring options.
 
Simba said:
Yeah I wouldn’t be shocked if they have multiple guys taking reps there come minicamps. Samac and Cleveland obviously. Dalcourt did it last year. Maybe you see if Dellinger can do it. Not a lot of inspiring options.
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probably the one OL spot with not many obvious options

the other thing this OL depth is missing is some positional flexibility
 
Baltimorican said:
Noteboom? They're fine.
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He hasn't played meaningful snaps at G since 2019

Across the board, most backup guys are good at one position. Noteboom has been a T, although he is one I think could factor at G. Vinson is likely going to be a pure T. Emery Jones remains to be seen, but I still feel his better NFL position will be G. Cleveland is primarily a G but did get some C reps. Samac is primarily a C but could probably play G in a pinch. Dellinger is a pure G unless they start trying to work him in at C.

There are very few guys like Mekari out there, but we've definitely taken a pretty significant dip in guys that can play multiple positions in more than an emergency fashion.
 
Simba said:
He hasn't played meaningful snaps at G since 2019

Across the board, most backup guys are good at one position. Noteboom has been a T, although he is one I think could factor at G. Vinson is likely going to be a pure T. Emery Jones remains to be seen, but I still feel his better NFL position will be G. Cleveland is primarily a G but did get some C reps. Samac is primarily a C but could probably play G in a pinch. Dellinger is a pure G unless they start trying to work him in at C.

There are very few guys like Mekari out there, but we've definitely taken a pretty significant dip in guys that can play multiple positions in more than an emergency fashion.
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last year you had mekari of course, but also josh jones
 
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