The Well-Mannered Politics Thread

[RavensMania]

Btw, it's not just Hilary that used a private server. Have Republicans conveniently forgotten about Ws use of a private server.


Like Clinton, the Bush White House used a private email server—its was owned by the Republican National Committee. And the Bush administration failed to store its emails, as required by law, and then refused to comply with a congressional subpoena seeking some of those emails. “It’s about as amazing a double standard as you can get,” says Eric Boehlert, who works with the pro-Clinton group Media Matters. “If you look at the Bush emails, he was a sitting president, and 95 percent of his chief advisers’ emails were on a private email system set up by the RNC. Imagine if for the last year and a half we had been talking about Hillary Clinton’s emails set up on a private DNC server?”

This was 22 million emails!!!!

Between 2003 and 2009, the Bush White House “lost” 22 million emails. This correspondence included millions of emails written during the darkest period in America’s recent history, when the Bush administration was ginning up support for what turned out to be a disastrous war in Iraq with false claims that the country possessed weapons of mass destruction (WMD), and, later, when it was firing U.S. attorneys for political reasons.

 

[Oldfaithful]

Btw, it's not just Hilary that used a private server. Have Republicans conveniently forgotten about Ws use of a private server.


Like Clinton, the Bush White House used a private email server—its was owned by the Republican National Committee. And the Bush administration failed to store its emails, as required by law, and then refused to comply with a congressional subpoena seeking some of those emails. “It’s about as amazing a double standard as you can get,” says Eric Boehlert, who works with the pro-Clinton group Media Matters. “If you look at the Bush emails, he was a sitting president, and 95 percent of his chief advisers’ emails were on a private email system set up by the RNC. Imagine if for the last year and a half we had been talking about Hillary Clinton’s emails set up on a private DNC server?”

This was 22 million emails!!!!

I do agree that the emails were an overblown issue but I still don't trust her in the slightest do want a woman president one day, but not someone as untrustworthy as I view her. She's got a long history of failing as a politician and being a liar. I didn't like Trump either for what it's worth, and didn't vote for either.

Oh and here's how stupid the American college students are now: they blamed me for Hillary losing but Colorado and California both went Blue this year. The electoral college is a thing whether you like it or not

 

[RavensMania]

I do agree that the emails were an overblown issue but I still don't trust her in the slightest do want a woman president one day, but not someone as untrustworthy as I view her. She's got a long history of failing as a politician and being a liar. I didn't like Trump either for what it's worth, and didn't vote for either.

Oh and here's how stupid the American college students are now: they blamed me for Hillary losing but Colorado and California both went Blue this year. The electoral college is a thing whether you like it or not

I agree and I didn't vote for either one of them either.

 

[RavensMania]

The electoral college is a thing whether you like it or not

The electoral college is needed, but should be altered to some degree. If there wasn't an electoral college, candidates would only campaign in states with a large population. It is an antiquated system and needs to change, but getting rid of it isn't the answer.

 

[Oldfaithful]

The electoral college is needed, but should be altered to some degree. If there wasn't an electoral college, candidates would only campaign in states with a large population. It is an antiquated system and needs to change, but getting rid of it isn't the answer.

The problem is, it's not going to change.
Having lived in the state with the most electoral college votes, and having been through several of the smallest states population wise: they'd never let the popular vote count for anything. Ever. Even if the winner of the popular vote gets a few extra electoral college votes (which I've seen as a proposed solution) Wyoming, Rhode Island would never let it happen. Neither would most of the Midwest for that matter either.

 

[K-Dog]

It's much better to be Libertarian

Three time supporter of Gary Johnson.

 

[The Raven]

The left is still talking about Russia lol.

I guess we should just forget about Hillary deleting 33 thou e mails and saying it was all yoga stuff. Using bleach bit and destroying hard drives with hammers. Oh I guess we should. She lost amiright.

1. Russia interfered in our election and the Bloviator in Chief hasn't done anything about it

2. Those emails were cleared by the FBI before being deleted.

3. Try again dude

 

[The Raven]

It's much better to be Libertarian

To an extent. I know some extreme libertarians that don't even want government to invest in roads or water/sewer. I'm all for fiscal conservatism but not to that extreme. The only Libertarians I respect on the national stage or Rand and Ron, and even they have suspect ideas on tax reform and healthcare. I love Libertarianism as an ideology, but ideology doesn't govern. We don't live in idealism, so we can't govern in idealism.

 

[Inqui]

I'd say the turns have been equal tbh, and both parties have become a little to extreme for my liking. So much so that even though I'm a registered Republican, I was mostly a split ticket voter this most recent election. The extreme left and the extreme right are equally unbearable for completely different reasons. The extreme left continually blames Russia for all of our problems, and claims that everyone who disagrees with their opinion is a racist, sexist, homophobe who should be executed on the spot and publicly shamed for all of eternity. The extreme right are still talking shit about Hillary and the republics are being sore winners, along with the newfound(racist) antics of the alt-right, and the usual bullshit America has to put up with (that Obama documented for us so well) that both parties have become equally shitty. Neither side wants to work with one another, nor are they willing to work with one another. Both sides share equal blame.

Just how I see it.

The only party in the world I can think of that's even remotely as broad a church as the US parties is the Coalition in Australia. And - as the name suggests - those guys are a conglomerate of four parties including the Liberals and the Conservatives. In any other developed democracy in the world both the Democrats and Republicans would have had their further wings break off 20 years ago.

I found an interesting video a couple of weeks ago reimagining the Presidential/Congressional race as an MMP system like what gets used here and in parts of Europe and that highlights what I mean. I'll post it when I'm on a better device for doing so.

But sadly changes like that start with campaign finance reform and there's no way either side pulls up the ladder that got them there (much less the clusterfuck that resulted from the Citizens United ruling).

Though I will add that the Russia thing and Bengazhi aren't really the same thing. The supposed Russia ties are still a live case that's been a talking point for about a year now, while Bengazhi's almost 10 years old and had several investigations concluded already. I hope that the left can let things go if the Congressional committees and the Mueller investigation come up blank, but if they don't then that's where I'll agree they're as bad as each other (everything until then is just speculation - the point is that one situation is still playing itself out and the other's been done to death already).

 

[Rusfan]

Three time supporter of Gary Johnson.

And what is Aleppo?

 

[RavensMania]

To an extent. I know some extreme libertarians that don't even want government to invest in roads or water/sewer. I'm all for fiscal conservatism but not to that extreme. The only Libertarians I respect on the national stage or Rand and Ron, and even they have suspect ideas on tax reform and healthcare. I love Libertarianism as an ideology, but ideology doesn't govern. We don't live in idealism, so we can't govern in idealism.

I agree that extreme libertarianism doesn't work. Actually extreme anything doesn't really work for that matter. We do need roads/water/sewer. Our political system is broken and until the two major parties realize this, it's only going to get worse.

 

[RavensMania]

Three time supporter of Gary Johnson.

For me, Gary Johnson was the best of thr three and that wasn't saying much.

 

[Oldfaithful]

For me, Gary Johnson was the best of thr three and that wasn't saying much.

I just wanted Johnson to wake up after a night of smoking and be like, "Holy shit, I won? HONEY HIDE THE BONG".

Can't help but agree though. Now we should run and hide. The SJWs will call us sexists for not voting for Hillary.

 

[K-Dog]

And what is Aleppo?

Not his finest moment no. Granted at the time I didn't know what Aleppo was and I am willing to bet if people were being honest most will admit they didn't either.

Either way, I was more concerned with this policies over his knowledge of geography.

 

[K-Dog]

For me, Gary Johnson was the best of thr three and that wasn't saying much.

which absolutely was his best asset.

 

[Rusfan]

Not his finest moment no. Granted at the time I didn't know what Aleppo was and I am willing to bet if people were being honest most will admit they didn't either.

Either way, I was more concerned with this policies over his knowledge of geography.

Most people weren't running for president

 

[The Raven]

Not his finest moment no. Granted at the time I didn't know what Aleppo was and I am willing to bet if people were being honest most will admit they didn't either.

Either way, I was more concerned with this policies over his knowledge of geography.

Sir, the president's top responsibility is foreign policy. If he can't name the capital of one of the more influential countries in the realm of foreign policy, he's not qualified. Stop making excuses for idiots.

 

[Oldfaithful]

You know. I've been avoiding this thread intentionally for awhile... and it's going back to that again. Ignorance is indeed bliss. See y'all in the football stuff.

 

[The Raven]

You know. I've been avoiding this thread intentionally for awhile... and it's going back to that again. Ignorance is indeed bliss. See y'all in the football stuff.

srry

 

[JoeyFlex5]

Infowars is the only real news and Alex jones is the only reliable source