The Well-Mannered Politics Thread

[29BmoreBird22]

As we all have.

Not to the extent he has. Let me know when you don't pay them for over 10 years.

 

[K-Dog]

Not to the extent he has. Let me know when you don't pay them for over 10 years.

Are you saying he has not paid income tax for ten years?
Would that be by evasion or leagl and allowable deductions. ( loop holes )

 

[29BmoreBird22]

Are you saying he has not paid income tax for ten years?
Would that be by evasion or leagl and allowable deductions. ( loop holes )

Allowable deductions. He claimed a loss of several billion dollars on a bankrupt business and got out of taxes for like 10+ years due to the business loss he claimed.

 

[CharmCityChampions]

Do you think i'm so naive not to see why you would think this? This seems like common sense, does it not? However, Cops and the military are maintaining a fundamentally (Key word here) corrupt system. The truth is that we ALL can and have the right to defend ourselves. If people are inheritably untrustworthy, then why would/ should people be in power in the first place? it just offers them the actual consent to manipulate wealth and freedom.

There is a certain quality that is missing in this entire situation and it's the intrinsic connection of all man. Ask yourself, how are these ''bomb threats'' created? It's a collective effort and the USA has played a disastours part in never ending wars which are based on manipulating resources and allying themselves with countries like saudi arabia.

The USA as you know it was born out of violence. All statist regiems are born out of violence. This isnt just a USA issue. This is a humanitarian issue and having to re-contextualize what freedom actually is. I'm sure you've read well known texts like '' A brave new world'' by aldous huxley. Here is a quote of his that speaks volumes.

“The real hopeless victims of mental illness are to be found among those who appear to be most normal. "Many of them are normal because they are so well adjusted to our mode of existence, because their human voice has been silenced so early in their lives, that they do not even struggle or suffer or develop symptoms as the neurotic does." They are normal not in what may be called the absolute sense of the word; they are normal only in relation to a profoundly abnormal society. Their perfect adjustment to that abnormal society is a measure of their mental sickness. These millions of abnormally normal people, living without fuss in a society to which, if they were fully human beings, they ought not to be adjusted.”
― Aldous Huxley, Brave New World Revisited

The military and cops FOLLOW orders and have no idea that their contribution leads to a collective disparity. I'd like to point something out here, I'm not against hierarchy as it pertains to skills, I'm against authoritarianism based hierarchy.

Evil is when you make a living and maintain a FLAWED evil system. It might be hard for you to believe this but you do realize that all humans could have access to clean food and water. Yes food can be free. Why do you think it's not?

Please realize that the basic arguement you put forward is based on not seeing the big picture. I'm sure there are decent people out there who seem fine and aren't cruel BUT they are carrying out a fundamentally flawed service as it's created out of manipulation .

The governments of the world understand the human dynamic can be manipulated and by creating fictional entities and nations and borders ( another imaginary line) you create servents to these illusions and in order to maintain power, you need poverty, you need war.

These things are actually profitible and there are only two types of people who help maintain this evil, Cops and the military.

If we spent all our resources on building an economy based on SOIL and permaculture, you wouldnt need MONEY.
Money is basically owned by 14 elite families and run under hundreds of currencies. But what is money? It's the means for death and destruction and chaotic order. Would man kill elephants and rhino's if money didnt exist?

this might be too much for anyone here to grasp but it's because people have been saturated with this way of life being considered unquestionable.

This is what governemnt do, they basically break your leg, if they are strategic they then fix it and ask you to thank them for it and YOU do!

Please, I'm not someone who can't see where everyone is coming from because I was like that too, but i've researched and worked it out and I'm not alone. More and more people are seeing these fictional entities for what they really are.

A few quotes to think about

''Your idea about yourself is borrowed by people who have no idea who they are themselves''

'' It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society''.

I'm tired, it's late in my part of the woods. However, if you're still interested Larken Rose and Mark Passio have lots of videos on youtube and will answer your questions/thoughts better than i can at 4 am in the morning.

Ciao

No I can see the big picture and I've see enough. If you honestly think humans as a society can get along with no violence and can all live peacfully without order or any type of government or system, than I'd say you are naive. Perfect example is what happened in Baltimore, and even then there was a government and they still couldn't control the rioting and looting. People themselves can be evil and it doesn't take much for someone to kill or murder and it can be for no reason at all. If you believe in a perfect utopia society then good luck with that, because I've see enough growing up to realize it will never happen. Like I said, I don't like our government right now either, and don't feel it's for the people or run by the people anymore, but to think we as a world of people can live without some sort of system is crazy

 

[K-Dog]

Allowable deductions. He claimed a loss of several billion dollars on a bankrupt business and got out of taxes for like 10+ years due to the business loss he claimed.

Can't fault a guy for taking advantage of what is legally presented to him.

 

[29BmoreBird22]

Can't fault a guy for taking advantage of what is legally presented to him.

I'd imagine the only reason that it's even available is to make sure people aren't discouraged from opening up businesses in the future, but someone completely botches a business and they get to write it off in their taxes for the next few years. They basically don't take a loss as they recover.

 

[29BmoreBird22]

Apparently the top percenters (I'd imagine this means the top 10%) pay about 39% in taxes due to loopholes.

Also, corporations pay around 10%.

 

[The Raven]

I'd imagine the only reason that it's even available is to make sure people aren't discouraged from opening up businesses in the future, but someone completely botches a business and they get to write it off in their taxes for the next few years. They basically don't take a loss as they recover.

That's exactly it. The idea is to try and encourage job creators to create jobs. But I do feel like it's a lousy way of doing so. Demand for a product creates jobs. This kind of tax policy is just more voodoo economics that transfers wealth to the top. It never trickles down.

 

[Willbacker]

I doubt he will. He benefited from them himself for several years.

This was a big part of his campaign as he admittedly said he used those loopholes.

Given how much of a philanthropist he is, I doubt he pays that much in taxes. That's part of the loopholes, not that it's bad in this case because Gates does quite a bit for many fields of research.

He also does a lot with charity.

The economy was at its highest rate of growth when the tax on the rich was sky high under FDR, JFK, and LBJ. In fact, GDP growth under those three and Clinton was higher than every Republican president in the modern era. Annual GDP growth under the "socialist" LBJ was over 5 percent, kicking the shit out of Reagan's 3.5 and Bush I's 2.25. Beat that with a stick.

Until the Lord our Savior Ronald Reagan came in with his trickle down bullshit, the tax rate on the top bracket was close to 90 percent, and the economy -- and the rich -- still did just fine.

To be fair the GDP had been low for quite awhile and under Reagan poverty and umemployment dropped dramatically so it worked in other ways plus the GDP did avg over 3% gain. Also under Clinton Repubs controlled the house and senate for the last 6 yrs of his admin. Unlike Obama Clinton worked with Repubs.

We also know under FDR it was after the depression and then high manufacturing cuz of the war. You can probably also say the same for LBJ and JFK but I'd have to look at that a little more.

 

[The Raven]

This was a big part of his campaign as he admittedly said he used those loopholes.



He also does a lot with charity.



To be fair the GDP had been low for quite awhile and under Reagan poverty and umemployment dropped dramatically so it worked in other ways plus the GDP did avg over 3% gain. Also under Clinton Repubs controlled the house and senate for the last 6 yrs of his admin. Unlike Obama Clinton worked with Repubs.

We also know under FDR it was after the depression and then high manufacturing cuz of the war. You can probably also say the same for LBJ and JFK but I'd have to look at that a little more.

This is outright false. Unemployment rates under Reagan were second highest in the modern era. Another source. And another.

The war argument is a good argument. It'd be difficult to isolate that figure from other variables.

As far as Clinton working with Republicans: the left wasn't so left and the right wasn't so right back then. Both parties have gotten worse since then. Also, Republicans had a strong presence in Congress in Obama's last six years too. The 2010 midterms were ugly for Dems.

 

[Willbacker]

This is outright false. Unemployment rates under Reagan were second highest in the modern era. Another source. And another.

The war argument is a good argument. It'd be difficult to isolate that figure from other variables.

As far as Clinton working with Republicans: the left wasn't so left and the right wasn't so right back then. Both parties have gotten worse since then. Also, Republicans had a strong presence in Congress in Obama's last six years too. The 2010 midterms were ugly for Dems.

http://historyinpieces.com/research/us-unemployment-rates-president

Look at this and tell me they didn't drop dramatically. You are going by avg where at the beginning it was ridicuolsly high and then dropped big time. That's how it should be judged. It got better every year.

 

[RavensMania]

This is outright false. Unemployment rates under Reagan were second highest in the modern era. Another source. And another.

The war argument is a good argument. It'd be difficult to isolate that figure from other variables.

As far as Clinton working with Republicans: the left wasn't so left and the right wasn't so right back then. Both parties have gotten worse since then. Also, Republicans had a strong presence in Congress in Obama's last six years too. The 2010 midterms were ugly for Dems.

Correct. I was having this conversation with a friend last night. It seemed that the Clinton administration along with Newt Gingrich as the majority leader were able to accomplish a great deal for the reasons you stated. Ever since then, they have been at an infinite impasse.

 

[Willbacker]

Correct. I was having this conversation with a friend last night. It seemed that the Clinton administration along with Newt Gingrich as the majority leader were able to accomplish a great deal for the reasons you stated. Ever since then, they have been at an infinite impasse.

It shouldn't be at an impasse tho. The Dems yell and threaten the Republicans who then go to a corner and squat and pee.

 

[gtalk12]

Ray Lewis's stance on Kap on the Ravens was painful to listen to. Sharpe was not having any of that....coming from Lewis, it really isn't surprising but it does not make it any better

 

[RavensMania]

This was a big part of his campaign as he admittedly said he used those loopholes.



He also does a lot with charity.



To be fair the GDP had been low for quite awhile and under Reagan poverty and umemployment dropped dramatically so it worked in other ways plus the GDP did avg over 3% gain. Also under Clinton Repubs controlled the house and senate for the last 6 yrs of his admin. Unlike Obama Clinton worked with Repubs.

We also know under FDR it was after the depression and then high manufacturing cuz of the war. You can probably also say the same for LBJ and JFK but I'd have to look at that a little more.

it wasn't just Clinton working with Republicans, but Republicans and Newt also worked with Clinton. It's a give and take. Obama doesn't deserve all the blame, because Republicans didn't work with him much at all. When Clinton was president thr far left wasn't as far left and the far right wasn't as far right. It's gotten much worse since he left office.

 

[Willbacker]

it wasn't just Clinton working with Republicans, but Republicans and Newt also worked with Clinton. It's a give and take. Obama doesn't deserve all the blame, because Republicans didn't work with him much at all. When Clinton was president thr far left wasn't as far left and the far right wasn't as far right. It's gotten much worse since he left office.

I agree with you that it was a 2 way street during the Obama term but I firmly believe the left has taken a far more turn than the right but whereas I wonder if the politicians are actually for the people when I see a guy like McCain more worried about giving the finger to Trump than his constituents. Notice how he saved his vote for last just so he could be a showman.

 

[The Raven]

I agree with you that it was a 2 way street during the Obama term but I firmly believe the left has taken a far more turn than the right but whereas I wonder if the politicians are actually for the people when I see a guy like McCain more worried about giving the finger to Trump than his constituents. Notice how he saved his vote for last just so he could be a showman.

Really? The left has taken a farther turn than the right? Is that why the right is still talking about Hillary's emails? Fucking pathetic

 

[Willbacker]

Really? The left has taken a farther turn than the right? Is that why the right is still talking about Hillary's emails? Fucking pathetic

The left is still talking about Russia lol.

I guess we should just forget about Hillary deleting 33 thou e mails and saying it was all yoga stuff. Using bleach bit and destroying hard drives with hammers. Oh I guess we should. She lost amiright.

 

[Oldfaithful]

Really? The left has taken a farther turn than the right? Is that why the right is still talking about Hillary's emails? Fucking pathetic

I'd say the turns have been equal tbh, and both parties have become a little to extreme for my liking. So much so that even though I'm a registered Republican, I was mostly a split ticket voter this most recent election. The extreme left and the extreme right are equally unbearable for completely different reasons. The extreme left continually blames Russia for all of our problems, and claims that everyone who disagrees with their opinion is a racist, sexist, homophobe who should be executed on the spot and publicly shamed for all of eternity. The extreme right are still talking shit about Hillary and the republics are being sore winners, along with the newfound(racist) antics of the alt-right, and the usual bullshit America has to put up with (that Obama documented for us so well) that both parties have become equally shitty. Neither side wants to work with one another, nor are they willing to work with one another. Both sides share equal blame.

Just how I see it.

 

[RavensMania]

I'd say the turns have been equal tbh, and both parties have become a little to extreme for my liking. So much so that even though I'm a registered Republican, I was mostly a split ticket voter this most recent election. The extreme left and the extreme right are equally unbearable for completely different reasons. The extreme left continually blames Russia for all of our problems, and claims that everyone who disagrees with their opinion is a racist, sexist, homophobe who should be executed on the spot and publicly shamed for all of eternity. The extreme right are still talking shit about Hillary and the republics are being sore winners, along with the newfound(racist) antics of the alt-right, and the usual bullshit America has to put up with (that Obama documented for us so well) that both parties have become equally shitty. Neither side wants to work with one another, nor are they willing to work with one another. Both sides share equal blame.

Just how I see it.

It's much better to be Libertarian