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cobrajet

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@cobrajet Here's an article about the usmca in case you haven't had a chance to look at it.

https://www.financialstandard.com.au/news/nafta-s-dead-welcome-usmca-127242024

Real good for our auto business and our dairy farmers just to name a couple things. You can get the whole spiel at the ustr website.
I am not an economics major but on face value, it seemed like a pretty fair deal for all countries involved. I could be proven wrong later, but I like it for our country better than NAFTA. I admit that we may have to pay a little more for an automobiles in the future but the benefits to our economy and the jobs created for Americans seems like it could be worth the price.
 

Willbacker

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I am not an economics major but on face value, it seemed like a pretty fair deal for all countries involved. I could be proven wrong later, but I like it for our country better than NAFTA. I admit that we may have to pay a little more for an automobiles in the future but the benefits to our economy and the jobs created for Americans seems like it could be worth the price.

Actually from Canada their cars are gonna be shipped here tariff free. Its gonna be other things like air conditioners and cans for beverages that are made out of steel/aluminum that will cost more but its gonna be so minute we probally wont even notice. Hopefully those tariffs will be dropped soon. The deal is great for our farmers since the price of dairy made in America will be cheaper in Canada and we're gonna be the main supplier of corn and soybeans to Mexico.
 

rossihunter2

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and just in case this was ever in doubt:

I believe women
I believe survivors

and its even more crazy in this case because there was more than 1 credible accuser and false accusations in cases like this are extremely unlikely and almost unheard of

there are a few things that are not in doubt about this situation:
1.) Kavanaugh lied under oath which is illegal
2.) There have been multiple complaints about Kavanaugh throughout his legal career
3.) The FBI investigation into Kavanaugh was constrained for no justifiable reason
4.) Kavanaugh demonstrated partisanship during his hearings and a temperament unbefitting of a judge
5.) Organisations that supported him withdrew their support in the wake of those hearings

none of those 5 points even include the sexual assault allegations which were more than credible on top of everything else
 

Oldfaithful

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It doesn’t matter. They confirmed him and there’s nothing anyone can do about it. Even if the Dems win the house, which they will, they’re desire for impeaching him is highly unlikely to go through.

Democrats best hope is they take the senate too
 

Somerset Ravens

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Both parties certainly embarrassed themselves during this confirmation process. The real shame is that most of
these Senators will be re-elected.
 

Willbacker

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Chuck Schumer said on day 1 they was gonna do everything to stop this nomination. They tried. BIG FAIL!!!
 

Inqui

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Both parties certainly embarrassed themselves during this confirmation process. The real shame is that most of
these Senators will be re-elected.
After that shitshow I've never been more relieved that judges over here aren't political appointments.

With this generation of partisan operatives reaching their prime age of judicial promotion combined with the fact that the Supreme Court is clearly decided by the WH/Senate combination and nothing else mattering it's hard to see the situation improving any time soon.

Like I say, words can't begin to express how glad I am that the judiciary isn't politically decided over here. Not that our system's perfect (and I'm sure someone has a "the founding fathers in their wisdom..." speech lined up), but at least it's not political.
 

Somerset Ravens

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After that shitshow I've never been more relieved that judges over here aren't political appointments.

With this generation of partisan operatives reaching their prime age of judicial promotion combined with the fact that the Supreme Court is clearly decided by the WH/Senate combination and nothing else mattering it's hard to see the situation improving any time soon.

Like I say, words can't begin to express how glad I am that the judiciary isn't politically decided over here. Not that our system's perfect (and I'm sure someone has a "the founding fathers in their wisdom..." speech lined up), but at least it's not political.
How are judges appointed in your country?
 

Oldfaithful

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Both parties certainly embarrassed themselves during this confirmation process. The real shame is that most of
these Senators will be re-elected.
They did indeed. And it is a damn shame, and if I were a guy who didn't work for the senate, I would say that I'd hope democrats won it... Which I think is guaranteed now. If/when RBG goes dies and/or retires the court goes even more out of balance.
 

Inqui

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How are judges appointed in your country?
For the highest courts they're formally appointed by the Queen's representative, though the person doing the picking changes depending on the court. In some cases it is indeed a minister, but there are a couple of key differences:
*You can't become a judge at any level if you show any kind of partisanship - which automatically filters the pool of higher court appointments. Chucking political letters at the end of people's names seems weird to someone living in a Westminster system.
*The shortlist is done by the Ministry of Justice, but the civil service is functionally independent of the political parties. There's a good show called Yes, Minister that drives at the relationship between the executive and the legislature and we use the same system. In this case the shortlists are done by the department with input from the Bar Association, the Law Society and sitting senior members of the bench - and the person doing the selections (be it the Prime Minister, the Attorney-General or the Solicitor-General) doesn't have a say in the shortlist or who creates the shortlist.

We also don't have elections for judges. At face value it may sound shady to have a panel of unelected professionals to pick judges but I've long been cynical of having something like that put to the vote.

If you're interested in reading more this would be a solid place to start:
https://teara.govt.nz/en/judicial-system/page-7
 

Inqui

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i dont think there's much "both parties" stuff here - this is 100% on one side
I agree but I don't think the Democrats would be acting any differently if they had the opportunity. The thing with Kavanaugh is that he was blooded in the 1990s as a partisan shock trooper during the whole Gingrich-Clinton mess and it's a little depressing to think that because he's now coming of age to move to the Supreme Court he probably won't be the last.

Like I say, it makes you appreciate the measures in our countries that keep judicial appointments (among others) at arm's length from the political parties. Some days I'm kinda glad you guys colonised us first.....
 

Somerset Ravens

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For the highest courts they're formally appointed by the Queen's representative, though the person doing the picking changes depending on the court. In some cases it is indeed a minister, but there are a couple of key differences:
*You can't become a judge at any level if you show any kind of partisanship - which automatically filters the pool of higher court appointments. Chucking political letters at the end of people's names seems weird to someone living in a Westminster system.
*The shortlist is done by the Ministry of Justice, but the civil service is functionally independent of the political parties. There's a good show called Yes, Minister that drives at the relationship between the executive and the legislature and we use the same system. In this case the shortlists are done by the department with input from the Bar Association, the Law Society and sitting senior members of the bench - and the person doing the selections (be it the Prime Minister, the Attorney-General or the Solicitor-General) doesn't have a say in the shortlist or who creates the shortlist.

We also don't have elections for judges. At face value it may sound shady to have a panel of unelected professionals to pick judges but I've long been cynical of having something like that put to the vote.

If you're interested in reading more this would be a solid place to start:
https://teara.govt.nz/en/judicial-system/page-7
Thanks sending the link, it was informative. Your system sounds very good as long as impartiality can be maintained.
Sadly impartiality does not exist in our process.
 

Somerset Ravens

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i dont think there's much "both parties" stuff here - this is 100% on one side
I cannot agree with that. The Democrats have their share of Issues during this process. Senator Booker purposely released
confidential materials. Booker admitted he knew he was violating Senate rules by doing so.

Senator Feinstein holding Dr. Blasey Ford’s accusations until the end of the process in atrocious. She should have reported
them to Chairman Grassley immediately and have them investigated on a confidential basis. I firmly believe Senator Feinstein orchestrated the leak of Dr. Blasey Ford’s accusations, using them as a political tool.

I am not excusing how the Republicans behaved. Both sides are guilty here.
 

rossihunter2

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I cannot agree with that. The Democrats have their share of Issues during this process. Senator Booker purposely released
confidential materials. Booker admitted he knew he was violating Senate rules by doing so.

Senator Feinstein holding Dr. Blasey Ford’s accusations until the end of the process in atrocious. She should have reported
them to Chairman Grassley immediately and have them investigated on a confidential basis. I firmly believe Senator Feinstein orchestrated the leak of Dr. Blasey Ford’s accusations, using them as a political tool.

I am not excusing how the Republicans behaved. Both sides are guilty here.

they released confidential materials because they were made confidential for partisan reasons and were files that were withheld from the committee for obvious suppression reasons - more importantly those materials were pertinent to the nomination

when the GOP has consistently ignored any dealings within house behind closed doors the only way to counter that is to force them to acknowledge these accusations etc. by making them public

every "democrat" issue you've named is a response to a republican manipulation of the system that is contrary to good and fair process
 
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