AND LADIES AND GENTLEMEN... THE PROBLEM WITH MODERN POLITICS...
Oh my god. This entire Kavanaugh has killed so many brain cells on my end.
THE FOLLOWING RANT IS NOT AIMED AT ANY FORUM MEMBERS. THESE ARE MY THOUGHTS ON THE STATE OF POLITICS. I WORK FOR THE GOVERNMENT, BUT I HAVE MY PROBLEMS WITH THEM.
Okay. I've kept my mouth shut long enough on this issue. That situation was literally a microcosm of the issues and the immense polarization. I'm a registered republican but I am the most split ticket voter you will ever meet. I am applying to go work for republicans and democrats alike.
Why did the two party system work up until about 15 years ago when people started their needless bitching. Whether you like Clinton or Regan is irrelevant, those two got shit done despite having a the other party hold the majority power. Why? They compromised. This notion that so many people have that "being in the middle is not a political party" is utter fucking bullshit. Partisanship has gone more extreme on BOTH sides, BOTH republicans and democrats piss me off equally because this "The other side is utterly reprehensible I won't even talk to them" is UTTERLY CHILDISH.
1. "Republicans started it". Okay, that's a fact, they're wrong for making congress inherently more partisan.... You've continued it. What are you, five? I have two little siblings and this is the logic and reasoning of two little siblings who got into a fight. "He started it". You still finished it. The republicans and democrats alike claim to be the "bigger party". Guess what, both of them are equally childish, and have been since about 2004. I've a registered republican and they do some pretty terrible things: they're politicians, all of them are fucking terrible. And if you think the democrats are squeaky clean and are absolved of anything, it's just as fucking bad.
2.
@29BmoreBird22 hit it on the head. He lives in conservative area and it's "fucking libtards". Liberals aren't inherently bad people and disagreement is a good thing. If the country went left all the time we'd go into absurd amounts of debt, worse than what we did. If we went fully republican all the time we'd declare bankruptcy. I got asked the question yesterday of whether I'm more into Hayek or Keynesian economics... There's a time and a place for both. There's a time and a place to spend fucktons of money and there's a time and a place to cut taxes. We've had successful economies under both parties for a reason, and that is a FACT. I live in a liberal area, and you know how often I get called a "racist, xenophobe facist" for not being a liberal(Oh, and btw. Super pro choice, pro gay marriage, super egalitarian. I live by the philosophy of, "if you're nice to me, I'm nice to you. People need to judge based off of character, not characteristics, which is my primary criticism of not the republicans as a whole, but the extremist tea party scumbags that have decided to take over the party because us moderate republicans are "not real republicans") . I disagree with
@29BmoreBird22,
@The Raven, and
@rossihunter2 on SO many things politically.... I don't think they're stupid. I don't think they're bad people. They have different opinions, that's okay. But when people use the blanket terms, "libtards", "facists", "bourgeoise trash", "SJW", nothing, and I repeat, NOTHING is going to get done.
3. This brings me back to point one... STOP ACTING LIKE FUCKING CHILDREN. It doesn't matter who started it, if any of you are really the bigger person. ACT LIKE IT. You know I didn't hate at all during this entire shitshow? The Senator that I am probably going to work for. Sure, he voted in favor of confirmation, but that's not really his fault. He's a junior senator who was coerced into it by tea party members who likely threatened to remove him from a committee? What do you want him to do? Resign? Ruin his career of public service where he's done a TON of good work? No.. He doesn't deserve that shit after getting strong armed. Both parties do it, it's how congress is fundamentally structured. If you vote against your party, you generally get punished. Usually, that's understandable. But now that idiot tea party members and progressives have done a takeover, it's (predictably) gotten much worse.. Which leads me to points four and five.
4. Ah the tea party. For all of me growing up around the business world and me agreeing with you on a ton of fiscal things, especially as I've worked for a Fortune 500 company in the past. FDR's new deal may have been very overrated in the scheme of things(history actually proves that WW2 got us out of the Great Depression), introducing some of the policies FDR did actually helped the economy in the long run. LBJ and Clinton were good economic presidents. Your problem? Idiots like Ted Cruz and Mitch McConell have decided to go full tea party and ruin everything for everyone. You've fundamentally divided the party, and the moderates, the ones such as Paul Ryan, John Hoeven, Lindsay Graham, Corey Gardner, have either gotten shit, decided to fuck off and head into the private sector. You managed to win both houses of Congress through some sensationalism and the extremists took over. It doesn't help that Fox News is terrible. The Tea Party is so fucking archaic socially and want to send things back to the Stone Age, and you've given the rest of the party a bad name. What you've done is divide your own party. Congrugaltions. If there's anything the democrats do correctly it's they vote as one job. I actually like Paul Ryan, and if you listen to him he's a reasonably intelligent human being. Somehow, with Donald Trump as the President he's still the most hated man in the entire government according to republicans. The hilarious truth is we need a "RINO", or a "DINO". Someone who is willing to put his foot down and tell Congress to stop having this pointless dick measuring contest when both of you are tinier than an inchworm. You've decided to act like children and demonize the democrats because they simply disagree with you. Liberals are not evil, their ideology as a whole isn't stupid. A few bad apples don't ruin the bunch even though that's what the media portrays them to do. Grow the fuck up and get a stick out of your ass.
5. And progressives. You've ruined the democrats too. Sure, you have your reasonable ones such as Corey Booker, Barrack Obama(I don't agree with him on everything but he's certainly not an extremist like so many republicans paint him out to be), Tim Kaine, Joe Biden. Then you get your progressives. Bernie Sanders' economic policies have never worked in a country with the dense population we have. In fact, for all the things he preaches(income equality), they would just make things work. Elizabeth Warren is extreme, and since Kamala Harris is likely to be President one day, she's bad too. Let's get this out of the way. YES, racism, sexism, homophobia, etc is all bad. You should never judge people for your characteristics but you've taken things too far. There's always going to be those things even if they are totally reprehensible, and the sad but honest truth is you can do nothing about it. Some people are just inherently bad. Education can't save them. And while I believe that discussion and disagreement is a good thing, I will make an exception for idiots that are discriminatory. They're not worth shaming, they're not worth talking too, they are LOST CAUSES as human beings. Your problem is the opposite of the tea party. You are also sensaltionist, but you think with your heart and not your brain. There are problems in this country, the Tea Party doesn't want to admit it, but you want to paint America as this racist, sexist, misogynistic country. There are no tangible laws discriminating against anyone anymore. That doesn't mean discrimination doesn't occur, it certainly does, and to not admit it is stupid. We're not perfect but we're not only improving massively and have come a LONG WAY in the past 50 years alone, but the law has done it's job. Abortion is legal, and will stay that way. Gay marriage is legal, and it will say that way. LEGALLY other races have the same rights across the country. Men and women legally have the same rights. Most people don't get it, but there's so much a government can do unless it is fascist, and going in that direction is not the way we should go. You demonize the other party so hard that even the moderate republicans and the normally blue rust belt decided to vote for DONALD FUCKING TRUMP. Think about that for a second. We voted a reality TV star to be the leader of the free world because of childish people.. I've been saying it since the beginning; Trump isn't the disease, he's the symptom of childish media and Congressional polarization. The hilarious thing is he's likely going to win again because the way he won is still working (he would say ridiculous shit, get free press, and not have to spend a dime to get his political agenda out despite the fact that he clearly didn't know what the fuck he was doing)
6.This all started when your rhetoric became utterly fucked. This goes for both sides. "Libtards", "Liberalism is a mental disorder", "Toxic masculinity", "Straight white males". Congragulations, instead of having civil debates you both have resorted to namecalling and demonizing the current generation for the sins of the previous. Both parties are so obsessed with "being correct", that they aren't even willing to talk to each other and work things out to solve the correct answer.
The thing that pissed me off about this Kavanaugh situation is that it was so predictable and both parties decided to act like children and neither one is mature enough to admit that they're both fucking up so hard. I wouldn't object if every incumbent member of congress up for reelection lost. I would love it if Trump lost to a moderate republican and not a tea party member, and if someone who was a moderate democrat decided to run for them, I'd likely vote in favor. But nope. You've got Congress right now polarized because both sides have decided to act like children and start a dick measuring contest. Instead of accomplishing things through civil disagreement and discussion, and reaching a compromise like you used to, you've both become obsessed with being correct and taking a "my way or the highway approach". "The other party is evil".
No they're fucking not. Both parties have bad apples, that's a given. Every company or workforce has corruption. Not everyone is a good person like most of you are(aside from one member who I hope never returns). So I will end this long, winded, tirade with a few notes.
SUMMARY
@Militant X 1 @Ludy51 @Inqui @rossihunter2,
@29BmoreBird22 ,
@The Raven. I think all of you are reasonable, intelligent human beings. I respect your opinions and think discussion is the way to go. I may disagree with each of you, and any other liberal on this board. I like the fact that we are all willing to come together and discuss things. There's no ill will on my end and in my opinion none of you are "partisan hacks". I appreciate the passion and the vigor, and unlike most of the people I discuss politics each of you bring FACTS. I don't agree with you on everything but when we do talk it seems like each of us can come to conclusions. That is why democracy is the best form of governance. I hate the idea of this thread, but each of you make it civil. Each of you make valid points. You are the proof of my claim, "discussion is good. Discussion leads to disagreement, which leads to compromise, which leads to progress". I lived in Spain this year. Their politics are far worse than ours, it's just that ours are more public. It's because of each of you that I don't close this thread. Please continue to keep it civil going forward. No matter where you lie on the spectrum, please continue to keep your civil, willing to discuss demeanor.
@Somerset Ravens I wholeheartedly agree with you for different reasons. Everyone in that senate hall that worked for the government acted like a child. It was embarassing to watch if you did, for anyone. I hate Trump, but I would not complain if we had 100 new senators tomorrow.
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