The Good, the Bad, and the Harbaugh

[gtalk12]

The fact that we invested in a 2nd round on Maxx and refuse to play him to see what he can and can't do is annoying. Throw him the ball and see if he is worth the pick. How can you justify his usage considering where we picked HIM?????????????????

 

[29BmoreBird22]

Thinking you should go back and take a look. I understand Mosely not being in the middle and the picks, but there were at least 3 instances where they showed an isolated view of the third down catches where the DB lined up directly across from the WR. No bump, no hands, no nuthin' to disrupt the timing. Just a free run across the middle with the DB chasing him through his route.

If you blitz and then have your corners press and they fail their press, you are in a world of hurt. Allowing a free release and getting into transition is a lot better than trying to press and whiffing it and that receiver is now behind you with no safety help over the top.

 

[Grim]

It doesnt excuse the missed pass to crab and not seeing lj, a bad him isnt to blame for them. But he had quite a few dead ducks yesterday that he doesn't normally have so he may have been hindered a touch.

On a side note we need to see more of moore. Ive been calling for it since the saints game. Teams are taking away john brown and more is the only one that actually offers any sort of deep threat

Flacco could have been hurt yeah but he’s had these issues all year so you can only put so much on that. Not saying you are btw. I definitely thought it was tipped live but the ducks were obscene yesterday and really out of hand. Honestly I think Joe is why we lost yesterday and I’ve never been a Flacco hater but I think his bad and floaty throws really really hindered us. It was so easy for the DB to anticipate the ball because of how much air he put under the ball. That’s why so often you had guys blanketing Andrews or whoever because they could see the ball fall slow motion.

Yes we definitely need more Moore. He may actually be a player at WR but he’s only worked into the game sparingly. I understand that if you put him in the game then someone else comes out but I’d put Brown and Moore in there constantly and rotate a TE and Snead or Crabtree to work the middle.

When the earliest we can get rid of bramdon williams?

As stated below next year post June 1 but more likely the year after. I don’t think we have to shed him though because he’s still playing well for us he’s just rotated a lot and he doesn’t offer any pass rush sadly

Next season with a post 6/1 designation. Although I'd prefer to release him after the 2019 season.

Yeah that’s how I see it too. I think one interesting tidbit is DeCosta could cut or shed himself of Williams more than Ozzie since he was technically an Ozzie pick though I’m sure Eric played a heavy role in choosing and re-signing Williams

 

[29BmoreBird22]

Yes, or ya know... a trend throughout an entire game where they’re running a shitload of these concepts

So, unfortunately I don't really have a quick and super easy answer because a lot goes into it, but I will make sure to answer this specifically when doing these articles. There's a few different ways to go about all of this with regards to bunch formations and all.

With the pick plays, you really have two options. 1. If the inside receiver cross outside, you let him go and the other man will pick him up. If the outside man goes inside, you let him go and the other man will pick him up. This obviously creates the issue of what happens if they both run inside or both run outside? In that case we have option 2. One man plays press and one man plays off. Having differing depths and levels will hopefully allow more space for the corners to run. Issue here is that off man coverage on the goal line (say the 1) requires a hard, fast break on the ball because the offense only needs one yard- they will get the ball out FAST.

The truth of it all is that the rub route is just extremely hard to defend when executed well.

 

[Sandtown]

Flacco has no awareness . Nobody even covered Lamar . That’s not a good instinctive feel for what’s going on .

Not really sure if The Ravens really want to involve Lamar Jackson in a way where he catches the ball as a receiver. It would have been nice for Joe Flacco to pass the ball to Lamarr Jackson on that play but I don't think Jackson was even close to be any of the main reads on that play. Jackson is usually used as a decoy .

 

[jboy19]

Not really sure if The Ravens really want to involve Lamar Jackson in a way where he catches the ball as a receiver. It would have been nice for Joe Flacco to pass the ball to Lamarr Jackson on that play but I don't think Jackson was even close to be any of the main reads on that play. Jackson is usually used as a decoy .

Flacco was far from perfect yesterday. But getting pissed about not throwing to Lamar is unreasonable. Lamar was the 5th read on the other side of the field in a game where Flacco was constantly under pressure. My biggest gripe with Flacco yesterday was him feeling pressure too early, which isn't a new complaint anybody has had about him. I know he got hit a lot, but he still needs to stay poised and continue to give his guys a chance.

 

[Ellicottraven]

Flacco could have been hurt yeah but he’s had these issues all year so you can only put so much on that. Not saying you are btw. I definitely thought it was tipped live but the ducks were obscene yesterday and really out of hand. Honestly I think Joe is why we lost yesterday and I’ve never been a Flacco hater but I think his bad and floaty throws really really hindered us. It was so easy for the DB to anticipate the ball because of how much air he put under the ball. That’s why so often you had guys blanketing Andrews or whoever because they could see the ball fall slow motion.

Yes we definitely need more Moore. He may actually be a player at WR but he’s only worked into the game sparingly. I understand that if you put him in the game then someone else comes out but I’d put Brown and Moore in there constantly and rotate a TE and Snead or Crabtree to work the middle.


As stated below next year post June 1 but more likely the year after. I don’t think we have to shed him though because he’s still playing well for us he’s just rotated a lot and he doesn’t offer any pass rush sadly


Yeah that’s how I see it too. I think one interesting tidbit is DeCosta could cut or shed himself of Williams more than Ozzie since he was technically an Ozzie pick though I’m sure Eric played a heavy role in choosing and re-signing Williams

I remember a conversation that Eric had with Mink or Garrett prior to signing Fat boy to a big deal. He had said it was absolutely critical to get him signed up. So I believe Eric had a lot to do with Williams getting his deal. Therefore I'm not sure if Williams will be gone like people seem to think but would I like to see him gone? I didn't want him signed in the first place.

 

[Oldfaithful]

It doesnt excuse the missed pass to crab and not seeing lj, a bad him isnt to blame for them. But he had quite a few dead ducks yesterday that he doesn't normally have so he may have been hindered a touch.

On a side note we need to see more of moore. Ive been calling for it since the saints game. Teams are taking away john brown and more is the only one that actually offers any sort of deep threat

Nah according to the the fanbase it's obvious that he's out to undermine Lamar's success and ruin the team so he's actively doing this intentionally... Put that among the top 10 dumbest things I have heard from Ravens fans... Which is an extensive list.

 

[ravenslord]

Not really sure if The Ravens really want to involve Lamar Jackson in a way where he catches the ball as a receiver. It would have been nice for Joe Flacco to pass the ball to Lamarr Jackson on that play but I don't think Jackson was even close to be any of the main reads on that play. Jackson is usually used as a decoy .

They said Lamar was the 5th read but would have Brady or Rodgers missed him? I highly doubt it.

 

[Adreme]

They said Lamar was the 5th read but would have Brady or Rodgers missed him? I highly doubt it.

You mean Joe isn't one of the all-time greats?!?!?! Well damn I guess we should kick him and Lamar to the curb because they are Brady ir Rodgers either. In fact lets cut the 28 other starting QBs who are not in all-time great standing

 

[Tank]

They said Lamar was the 5th read but would have Brady or Rodgers missed him? I highly doubt it.

Brady would have fallen on the ground because a D lineman was too close to him. lol

Is your expectation for Flacco to perform at an Aaron Rodgers level?

Just for the record........You would never see any sort of play like that ran by either of those teams involving a rookie reserve QB.

 

[Oldfaithful]

Brady would have fallen on the ground because a D lineman was too close to him. lol

Is your expectation for Flacco to perform at an Aaron Rodgers level?

Just for the record........You would never see any sort of play like that ran by either of those teams involving a rookie reserve QB.

There's a reason that rookie has been drafted. Flacco has been taking too much hate but his time is almost up here. Ever since that injury of his he hasn't really been the same.

I don't think we need a "rebuild". The team has been doing that for the past three drafts anyways. We need to load up on the offensive line and acquire another pass rusher.

We get it, you don't like Lamar. But there is a reason we drafted him.

 

[Adreme]

There's a reason that rookie has been drafted. Flacco has been taking too much hate but his time is almost up here. Ever since that injury of his he hasn't really been the same.

I don't think we need a "rebuild". The team has been doing that for the past three drafts anyways. We need to load up on the offensive line and acquire another pass rusher.

We get it, you don't like Lamar. But there is a reason we drafted him.

Also I point to the Saints and Drew Brees, who is on that level, and they the exact same plays.

My only problem with Lamar is I feel it was a huge reach but if he pans out th hst doesn't matter

 

[DeVito52]

Yeah I don’t know how anyone is mad at Flacco for not throwing to Lamar.

Lamar has said 100s of times that he is NOT a receiver. But then he wants a pass thrown to him? Sorry, you said you don’t want to be a receiver hahaha

 

[Tank]

There's a reason that rookie has been drafted. Flacco has been taking too much hate but his time is almost up here. Ever since that injury of his he hasn't really been the same.

I don't think we need a "rebuild". The team has been doing that for the past three drafts anyways. We need to load up on the offensive line and acquire another pass rusher.

We get it, you don't like Lamar. But there is a reason we drafted him.

Not sure what you mean "I don't like Lamar". I'm a Ravens fan so of course I hope that he pans out and becomes a high performer when his time to play comes. I do have reservations about him becoming an NFL franchise qb and totally dislike the gimmicks and using him the way they have been the last couple of games. As has been mentioned by several here and pretty much all of the talking heads(Cowher, Boomer, etc.) on the post game show yesterday it's a real head scratcher(quote, "not sure what they are trying to do there") and ruins the flow and rhythm of the offense.

 

[allblackraven]

Yeah I don’t know how anyone is mad at Flacco for not throwing to Lamar.

Lamar has said 100s of times that he is NOT a receiver. But then he wants a pass thrown to him? Sorry, you said you don’t want to be a receiver hahaha

If he was a read, and they said he was a late one, if a QB has time - which Joe did - why not go through them? He's a pro QB for 10 fucking years, not a rookie. If the open guy in the end zone is eligible I couldn't care less whether he's a WR, QB or the damn nose guard.

 

[Tank]

Also I point to the Saints and Drew Brees, who is on that level, and they the exact same plays.

My only problem with Lamar is I feel it was a huge reach but if he pans out th hst doesn't matter

Of note here, Lamar Jackson is not Taysom Hill and each has their own set of talents. And the Saints use Taysom sparingly in a manner that surprises opponents. Just so happens he had more plays(6) against the Ravens than any other game this year.

 

[DeVito52]

If he was a read, and they said he was a late one, if a QB has time - which Joe did - why not go through them? He's a pro QB for 10 fucking years, not a rookie. If the open guy in the end zone is eligible I couldn't care less whether he's a WR, QB or the damn nose guard.

I was joking. Because of the irony that Lamar was so adamant about not being a receiver. Obviously he was wide open and should’ve got the ball.

 

[David Rockefeller]

Not sure what you mean "I don't like Lamar". I'm a Ravens fan so of course I hope that he pans out and becomes a high performer when his time to play comes. I do dislike the gimmicks and using him the way they have been the last couple of games. As has been mentioned by several here and pretty much all of the talking heads(Cowher, Boomer, etc.) on the post game show yesterday it's a real head scratcher(quote, "not sure what they are trying to do there") and ruins the flow and rhythm of the offense.

The fans are desperately searching for a hero and they have chosen Jackson. Hopefully it works out for the best.

 

[redrum52]

The fans are desperately searching for a hero and they have chosen Jackson. Hopefully it works out for the best.

Or people might just be sick of seeing the same bullshit on the field and want a change.