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JoeyFlex5

JoeyFlex5

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Tank said:
I’m confused as to why you and others keep bringing up Flacco. Did I mention him at all? I thought we were discussing Sunday’s game in which Flacco did not play, and the viability of the offense moving forward.

The better plan would be to call better plays, play better and score more points. duh
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Flacco is mentioned because going forward it’s eithers joes offense or Lamar’s offense and you have to figure out the viability of each, of you think joes offense is gonna take a big shit while doing a handstand for the next month, then you field Lamar’s offense instead.

If you think flacco is irrelevant in this discussion and people are just mentioning him because you’re you, then you’re wrong.
 
JoeyFlex5

JoeyFlex5

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Dom McRaven said:
I mean....damn. If that isn't efficiency and good defense, I don't know what it is.
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Exactly, with a properly called lamar game plan, this team is deadly efficient.

Teams build secondary and pass rush these days, that shit is pointless when you run the ball. And with a well executed zone read with elite talents for it, it doesn’t matter how good of a run defense you are, because you’re always playing a man down and always guessing, the only way to effectively cut off lanes is to bring an extra player down and there’s no way around it, and committing to edge contain frees up a blocker to block that extra player anyway, now you’re still a man down in the box and a man down in the secondary.

The zone read hasn’t been run long term by any team, but I think it’s because no team had the talent to overcome adjustments and the QBs always wanna turn into a pocket passer, I think lamar is the first qb who can overcome adjustments and is a good enough pocket passer to advance from there
 
Militant X 1

Militant X 1

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rossihunter2 said:
ravens scored 34 points - 14 of those points were not scored by the offence

of the offensive plays we scored 6 points in the 1st half and 14 in the 2nd half

in fact we shortened the game so much in the 2nd half that we only had 3 offensive possessions (and 2 of them were long td drives) total in the whole half
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So, what you are saying is that our offense didn't experience the "typical" 3 & outs that we've been accustomed too seeing and that they were able to sustain drives and cap them off with TD's instead of FG's?
 
rossihunter2

rossihunter2

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Militant X 1 said:
So, what you are saying is that our offense didn't experience the "typical" 3 & outs that we've been accustomed too seeing and that they were able to sustain drives and cap them off with TD's instead of FG's?
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the 3rd drive (and last one of the entire game for the ravens O) was a 3 and out which is frustrating but for the most part you are absolutely correct

and in the 2nd of those drives the offence overcame a sequence of events that was an almost exact replica of what happened in the first half after the andrews long bomb

1st and goal - false start - run up the middle for no gain - incompletion to john brown - 3rd and long... in the 1st half it ended in settling for a fg and in the 2nd half we hit the slant to crabtree
 
Tank

Tank

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JoeyFlex5 said:
Flacco is mentioned because going forward it’s eithers joes offense or Lamar’s offense and you have to figure out the viability of each, of you think joes offense is gonna take a big shit while doing a handstand for the next month, then you field Lamar’s offense instead.

If you think flacco is irrelevant in this discussion and people are just mentioning him because you’re you, then you’re wrong.
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OK, fair enough. My point remains that it will be more difficult to take the air out of the ball, shorten the game and win against better teams, especially away from home. IMO the offensive plan will need to be adjusted at times no matter which QB is under center. I just don’t think there is a “master offensive plan” that is going to work 100% of the time and adjustments will need to be made according to the opponent and situation.
 
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JoeyFlex5

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Tank said:
OK, fair enough. My point remains that it will be more difficult to take the air out of the ball, shorten the game and win against better teams, especially away from home. IMO the offensive plan will need to be adjusted at times no matter which QB is under center. I just don’t think there is a “master offensive plan” that is going to work 100% of the time and adjustments will need to be made according to the opponent and situation.
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True that every gameplan is more art than science, and executing this against better teams will certainly be tougher than doing it vs cinci and Oakland, but passing it will be tougher period. running the ball is simple, effective, and efficient, and is always the best way to win games if you can do it. Passing the ball 50 times a game doesn’t even work for goddamn Aaron Rodgers, let alone joe Flacco.
 
Militant X 1

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Tank said:
OK, fair enough. My point remains that it will be more difficult to take the air out of the ball, shorten the game and win against better teams, especially away from home. IMO the offensive plan will need to be adjusted at times no matter which QB is under center. I just don’t think there is a “master offensive plan” that is going to work 100% of the time and adjustments will need to be made according to the opponent and situation.
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No matter "which" QB is under center huh? I'll just leave this here.....

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RL52TheGreatest

RL52TheGreatest

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I'm really liking the touch that Lamar is putting on his passes. That throw to Andrews was a thing of beauty and not one that I'd envision Flacco being able to make with the way Flacco's been playing this season. I don't know what's going to happen when Flacco's hip gets cleared, but I really do hope that we continue to roll with Lamar going forward. He's already showing lots of improvement week-to-week and we can get him lots of confidence going into next year.
 
Tru11

Tru11

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funny how people suddenly started to care about how good the defenses where that we played against.
 
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jboy19

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Tru11 said:
funny how people suddenly started to care about how good the defenses where that we played against.
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I dont think anybody ever didn't care lol.

Either way, running all over the 31st and 32nd ranked Run defenses isn't something that should give hope that the offense has turned a new corner. The passing game is still going to be what makes or breaks the season.
 
Tru11

Tru11

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jboy19 said:
I dont think anybody ever didn't care lol.

Either way, running all over the 31st and 32nd ranked Run defenses isn't something that should give hope that the offense has turned a new corner. The passing game is still going to be what makes or breaks the season.
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wins and losses are what makes or breaks the season.
 
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OriolesMagicPlease

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JoeyFlex5 said:
or essentially nothing while sitting back and not learning a damn thing, I felt the whole time like I was gonna get fired cuz I felt worthless, I felt like I was extremely overpaid for what I offered the company, kinda like how joe should feel but I’m sure he doesn’t.

And ftr I am past that stage with my company and now feel like I deserve a raise after getting past the training stage lol
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That is my point though, you aren't sure how Joe feels. Neither am I. But why assume he doesn't care? That is a pretty dangerous assumption. And btw, I'm glad your job is progressing for you.

Tru11 said:
You dont hope for the best.
You expect the best.

You invest money by giving a player a contract and you expect to get a return on your investment.

The more you invest , the more you expect to get in return.

When you are not getting worth your money , you either ask them to take a pay cut , or you get rid of the player.

No person is willing to give back money but if you got a raise and then decides to stop giving a fuck would you be suprised if your boss starts thinking about letting you go?
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We can all hope or expect a lot of things, but that doesn't affect the outcome at all.

The Greek said:
agree look at chris davis now
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Yes. Owners, management, you and I, we can all hope and/or expect whatever we want from Chris Davis but it isn't going to make him produce.
 
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jboy19

Pro Bowler
Tru11 said:
wins and losses are what makes or breaks the season.
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Sure, but that's not what we're talking about. Wins and losses are not actually predictive of future wins and losses.

My point is that the gameplan needs to evolve for the defenses coming up. Whether its Joe or Lamar, leaning on run game success isn't really a winning strategy against the teams the Ravens play coming up.
 
Tru11

Tru11

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jboy19 said:
Sure, but that's not what we're talking about. Wins and losses are not actually predictive of future wins and losses.

My point is that the gameplan needs to evolve for the defenses coming up. Whether its Joe or Lamar, leaning on run game success isn't really a winning strategy against the teams the Ravens play coming up.
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gameplan needs to evolve when its proven to not work.

the running game is actually the key to succes against high powerd offenses.

running game burns the clock, keep the defense fresh, limits the possibilities at turnovers and keeps the opposing offense off the field.
exactly what you want.
 
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