The Brutal, The Bad and The Ugly

[ndub]

Sure, but it gets old when all you do is shit on Harbaugh and are never around when things are going well

Things go well in the playoffs?? Since when? 2 wins (barely) since the Super Bowl season? Lmao

 

[Edgar]

IOL struggled
Dobbins - no excuse for two drops wide open
Lamar still holding the ball and waiting for stuff to get open generally
Bills sold out to crash both edges and we couldn't seem to get over the top through the air....have to be able to do that. have to or this will happen every year.
Lamar missing the flats early...no routes aimed at conflicting of defenders in zone...pedestrian
Might have been the worst snap Ive ever seen...that got Lamar concussed.
Huntley played with good poise and was let down by Dobbins and Mark Andrews
Not sure how #29 is viable option in coverage over Averett at this point
Tucker has missed 3 of his last 5 FG's
Passing game and passing concepts need to improve if we want to make a run in the future

Disappointing to not show better on offense

 

[rossihunter2]

We made so many mistakes in the offseason that led to this. Yeah that loss to the Titans stung enough to improve the defense but man again, we ignored the offense. Losing a HOF Guard like Yanda and not doing anything to replace him? Fluker was alright but we keep drafting mid round guys expecting them to blossom into starters. Do you know who the last IOL was we drafted in the first round? Ben Grubbs way back in 2007.

Our offense may scare defenses but man our passing game doesn't. Again expecting mid round guys to develop into all pros like Boykin and is unacceptable. Once teams shut down Brown and Andrews, who else is there that scares them and can spread defenses? NOBODY. That was our downfall, yeah Josh Allen improved because he has Stefon Diggs to catch his passes and make big plays. Lamar doesn't have that guy, it's amazing how year after year we waste good defenses because of a lack of any kind of offense. Just so frustrating.

i think it was a massive mistake to not go harder on a receiver in the amazing 2020 WR class - i like devin duvernay but he's not a wide receiver right now - he's an athlete with good hands who can run well through contact but that's a complementary piece to an already functioning receiver group - we dont have that right now so he's just an add on

and maybe he'll develop but the idea that he would come in and impact this offence in a meaningful way early was foolish of us and for that to be the only offseason addition (other than proche) at that position of any real note should have rung an alarm bell much earlier than it did - i mean people got pissed off with seth roberts but honestly he'd be clearly and comfortably the number 2 wideout on this team right now

i think EDC did an amazing job in 2020 tooling up this defence but we did go into the 2020 offseason with clear needs at IOL, WR, MLB and EDGE - it's frustrating that 3 of those are needs again in 2021

 

[drjohnnyfever]

i think the problem i have evaluating roman is that the personnel at receiver is so bad that it's hard to know whether the scheme has anything to do with it - there were some things when kurt warner was looking at it where you could point at the coach and ask "what the hell are you thinking" but even more plays where you looked and go there's no way that's what they called/no way that's what you've been coached to do and it's clearly somewhat on the players

but that does leave you with the problem of not quite knowing what's working (if anything) - do you scrap the whole thing and just start again? possibly...

what's clear is that the passing scheme and coordinating is not positively impacting the team right now - the personnel maybe tanking it to make it look irredeemable but it's safe to say that the passing game is not elevating the personnel we have right now - so many of our most important plays in the playoffs (especially in the passing game) have come on broken plays where lamar's created magic mostly with hollywood but sometimes with andrews too but our in phase/in rhythm passing attack has offered basically nothing against teams that seem to have a good understanding of how to slow down this running game - bills were the first team to slow us down in 2019 and the Titans obviously refined that in the playoffs last year and have continued to stifle this offence in both matchups in 2020

Respectfully... please. We can't continue to blame the talent. Many have blamed the talent for years. Other teams are able to develop WR's and QB's, why not us? To me, it's coaching. It's gone on long enough with enough draft cycles with the same player criticisms to continue to say it's merely players and that they "don't get it" or "buy in." At some point we need to question whether the team is doing enough in the coaching realm once these high value picks get to the bigs, for Pete's sake. This has been the excuse at WR for a decade. We need to look in the mirror, especially when we see lesser prospects on other teams far exceeding our draft value at that position.

 

[RavensMania]

i mean some of those snaps looked way off before the wind had a chance to affect them

remember he gave skura some excuses too and then a week later skura did it again and we benched him

mekari has been good snapping down the stretch but im not sure it can be excused by the weather

I did wonder if it was just Harbaugh covering for him. Sounds like it was. It was a bad game all around and I blame it on poor execution and not being able to put your players in the right position to succeed. Get Lamar some better pieces and he will do better as well.

 

[SepticeyePoe]

Things go well in the playoffs?? Since when? 2 wins (barely) since the Super Bowl season? Lmao

I'm talking all together, not just the playoffs

 

[rossihunter2]

In all fairness, I do think we need to get Lamar to a place where he doesn’t try to put too much on himself. Get him some help and let him develop some trust, and then the reigns can be loosened. Right now this passing game in particular is just too devoid of talent and he tries to do it all himself.

i really think our best bet for all outcomes with lamar is to surround him with as many weapons as we can find - give him all the weapons he could possible want and set him up for success

that way we know for sure and if he can't do it - at least we find out now and not after it's too late and then those weapons are there for whoever's next

i personally think he can do it but why not surround him with weapons

 

[Simba]

Respectfully... please. We can't continue to blame the talent. Many have blamed the talent for years. Other teams are able to develop WR's and QB's, why not us? To me, it's coaching. It's gone on long enough with enough draft cycles with the same player criticisms to continue to say it's merely players and that they "don't get it" or "buy in." At some point we need to question whether the team is doing enough in the coaching realm once these high value picks get to the bigs, for Pete's sake. This has been the excuse at WR for a decade. We need to look in the mirror, especially when we see lesser prospects on other teams far exceeding our draft value at that position.

I think that’s part of it but we’ve also added a bunch of athletes there that needed development. Hopefully coaching does that but also have to understand the floor is low.

I mean, look at Boykin. Put up insane testing numbers but nothing he does on the field matches up. Is that coaching’s fault or is that just another FO fault?

I think it’s all of the above. FO has a different idea of what a WR is. Coaching can’t develop it. Personnel just isn’t that good. It’s a multitude of failures, coaching included. But not solely coaching.

 

[rossihunter2]

I've seen everything I need to see, and others who I hold in very high esteem around the league have seen everything they need to see, in saying he can't do it. At this point, perhaps the better question would be when has he shown that he possesses the ability to do it?

how do you expect us to answer that unless you actually specify what 'it' is?

I personally think Lamar's shown throughout his young career that he can do basically anything we could possibly want from him - now consistency is key but what is it you think he can't do?

 

[RL52TheGreatest]

The only GOOD that I saw tonight happened before the game started. I was scrolling my IG feed when I came across this gem from this random IG model I follow. Save your "tasteless" and/or "classless" comments, I don't give a fuck.

 

[rossihunter2]

Rig


Very sorry to see that there are those who try to tell people they aren't true "fans" if they don't drink the kool-aid and think everything done by everybody is perfect and in tip-top shape. I am sorry

nah man - you havent been on this board long enough to know yet lol - dude's a troll who only turns up when the ravens are losing

 

[rossihunter2]

It was clearly in his head after the first one. Not sure it can even really be debated. He messed up and then didn’t recover mentally.

especially as he missed every which way - the first one was low, he had multiple high ones even before the one that went past lamar and he missed left and right too...

 

[A1A]

We weren't committed to the run game. Coaches need to coach... why was Jimmy on Diggs?? Why was Williams on Diggs??! I mean why didn't we play smart in the RZ?? Same ol story ...say what u will but I would have coached this team to a victory.

 

[Militant X 1]

A brutal embarrassment period!

 

[A1A]

3 points!

 

[A1A]

But yea I'm a "troll". Yall just happy with mediocrity.

 

[drjohnnyfever]

I think that’s part of it but we’ve also added a bunch of athletes there that needed development. Hopefully coaching does that but also have to understand the floor is low.

I mean, look at Boykin. Put up insane testing numbers but nothing he does on the field matches up. Is that coaching’s fault or is that just another FO fault?

I think it’s all of the above. FO has a different idea of what a WR is. Coaching can’t develop it. Personnel just isn’t that good. It’s a multitude of failures, coaching included. But not solely coaching.

I don't disagree with you, but I think the track record is long of lackluster development. To me that's lack of adequate coaching. You don't expend a high draft pick on players like that to develop on their own or at their own pace. I have no idea whether I'm right in that criticism, but as an outsider not knowing inner-workings, it sure seems like there's a significant coaching breakdown with respect to these players. Especially considering what other teams are able to do with lesser picks. Either we don't assess correctly OR we don't progress them once they get here. Not every player is successful, but you'd think at least a few WR picks would garner a fan opinion greater than "decent." Somewhere the ball is being dropped... literally.

 

[rossihunter2]

IOL struggled
Dobbins - no excuse for two drops wide open
Lamar still holding the ball and waiting for stuff to get open generally
Bills sold out to crash both edges and we couldn't seem to get over the top through the air....have to be able to do that. have to or this will happen every year.
Lamar missing the flats early...no routes aimed at conflicting of defenders in zone...pedestrian
Might have been the worst snap Ive ever seen...that got Lamar concussed.
Huntley played with good poise and was let down by Dobbins and Mark Andrews
Not sure how #29 is viable option in coverage over Averett at this point
Tucker has missed 3 of his last 5 FG's
Passing game and passing concepts need to improve if we want to make a run in the future

Disappointing to not show better on offense

Dobbins is disappointing because he's shown real dynamic ability and some good hands - but that's now 7 drops on the season - he had something like 5 drops on 25 targets in the regular season and it's a continuation from the ohio state semi-final game where he had at least 1 (maybe 2) critical drops in key moments against Clemson too - he's got really natural hands too which makes it even more frustrating that this has become an issue and a blight on an otherwise fantastic rookie showing

Tucker's missed 3 of his last 5 and now 6 kicks in the last 7 games (1 tbf was a block but still that's ridiculously poor by his standards)

with Tramon Williams I really didn't understand that - it seems like they didnt want Averett in the slot at all this game - but idk that he's a worse option than a 38 yr old who's probably the 5th corner - we knew 2 things coming into this game that were 100% going to happen... the bills were gonna play a decent amount of 10 personnel and diggs was going to play at least some snaps in the slot - i cant believe that our plan was to just let tramon williams cover him in man in that situation - feels like a failure in personnel - would be interesting to see if there were any substitution or hurry-up reasons why those matchups happened

 

[Simba]

I don't disagree with you, but I think the track record is long of lackluster development. To me that's lack of adequate coaching. You don't expend a high draft pick on players like that to develop on their own or at their own pace. I have no idea whether I'm right in that criticism, but as an outsider not knowing inner-workings, it sure seems like there's a significant coaching breakdown with respect to these players. Especially considering what other teams are able to do with lesser picks. Either we don't assess correctly OR we don't progress them once they get here. Not every player is successful, but you'd think at least a few WR picks would garner a fan opinion greater than "decent." Somewhere the ball is being dropped... literally.

We have not taken many shots at WRs either. Lots of mid to late round picks until recently. Hollywood is developing well after a rough start to this year, so I’d say that’s a hit and we could see even better with some more competence around him.

But other than that, look at our draft history. Not many high picks and we definitely dropped the ball in some really good draft classes by thinking late rounds picks were value instead of just getting someone that’s actually good.

Gonna hit and gonna miss, but hard to get those hits when you don’t really try either.

 

[Davesta]

Allen Robinson liked the tweet.

come to Baltimore.