The Ugly, The Ugly and The Ugly - Steelers Edition

[SaltyDog]

I never said it was going anywhere, but the injury issue is absolutely real and way more important than money, imo, but that's me.

I don’t think I said you said that. Lol. I said that you said the league and TNF is all about $$$. I’m the one that said TNF is not going anywhere because of the $$$. I would agree that the injury issue is real. The players complain about the short recovery time and preparation, but there’s not any sound data that you can point to to prove the injury point.

 

[RavensMania]

I don’t think I said you said that. Lol. I said that you said the league and TNF is all about $$$. I’m the one that said TNF is not going anywhere because of the $$$. I would agree that the injury issue is real. The players complain about the short recovery time and preparation, but there’s not any sound data that you can point to to prove the injury point.

I quoted you, which was a mistake as I just should have just posted it. I agreed with you that TNF wasn't going anywhere but I do believe less time to recover from a previous game would lead to more injuries. It is true that I don't have or know where to find the data to prove the point.

 

[Deebo813]

I don’t think I said you said that. Lol. I said that you said the league and TNF is all about $$$. I’m the one that said TNF is not going anywhere because of the $$$. I would agree that the injury issue is real. The players complain about the short recovery time and preparation, but there’s not any sound data that you can point to to prove the injury point.

Even if they arent getting injured on TNF im sure playing that early while still being a little fatigued and not fully recovering still leads to issues that may not fully show up till a week
Later maybe

 

[Deebo813]

I quoted you, which was a mistake as I just should have just posted it. I agreed with you that TNF wasn't going anywhere but I do believe less time to recover from a previous game would lead to more injuries. It is true that I don't have or know where to find the data to prove the point.

really dnt need data tbh.. i mean its pretty much common sense imo. Even if you dnt get hurt on that same exact day, not giving your body time to fully heal results in some kinda damage.. like its the same when you work out or even going from working 40hrs every week to 48+ in a different week. Your body feel that shit and knows this shit not normal.

 

[RavensMania]

really dnt need data tbh.. i mean its pretty much common sense imo. Even if you dnt get hurt on that same exact day, not giving your body time to fully heal results in some kinda damage.. like its the same when you work out or even going from working 40hrs every week to 48+ in a different week. Your body feel that shit and knows this shit not normal.

exactly

 

[purplepittabread88]

really dnt need data tbh.. i mean its pretty much common sense imo. Even if you dnt get hurt on that same exact day, not giving your body time to fully heal results in some kinda damage.. like its the same when you work out or even going from working 40hrs every week to 48+ in a different week. Your body feel that shit and knows this shit not normal.

even minor scale, going from 10 reps to 12 reps of the same weight in one work out if you don’t typicallly change reps makes it feel like your muscles are on the verge of explosion. It’s awesome to have TNF but sucks for players involved. The bye week idea solves nothing because then you don’t actually get to relax on the bye

 

[RavensMania]

even minor scale, going from 10 reps to 12 reps of the same weight in one work out if you don’t typicallly change reps makes it feel like your muscles are on the verge of explosion. It’s awesome to have TNF but sucks for players involved. The bye week idea solves nothing because then you don’t actually get to relax on the bye

you would still have time to relax, but it would be a little less time. You'd play on Sunday and the following week play on Thursday. Anyway, I doubt it happens, but it was just an idea to mitigate the injury risk of playing on Sunday and then again on Thursday.

It's not about the money that they receive for playing on Thursday's. That's not the point of this and I know you didn't bring that up.

 

[rmcjacket23]

and you missed my point. Why would they have to put an east coast game at 10pm. They would play at 7pm and the west coast games would be at 10pm. Now I'm not sure there are enough west / east coast games for this to even work, but I do believe the Thursday after a bye week would work for the majority of the time and it would absolve the injury risk due to lack of preparation.

You missed my point. 50% of the country won't tune in to watch a 10pm ET football game on a Monday night. They'll be in bed, sleeping, preparing for the work day. Or, those on graveyard shifts will be actually working.

Thursday Night football that starts at 830pm ET >>>>>>>>>>>> Monday Night football that starts at 10pm ET, from a revenue/ratings standpoint.

The data doesn't seem to support that Thursday night football is more dangerous from an injury perspective, so I think we're trying to solve a problem that doesn't exist.

 

[rmcjacket23]

I never said it was going anywhere, but the injury issue is absolutely real and way more important than money, imo, but that's me.

Who told you that the injury issue is absolutely real? What's the source of that info?

I've read several articles that did studies on this, and I've not yet seen one draw the conclusion you're drawing.

 

[RavensMania]

You missed my point. 50% of the country won't tune in to watch a 10pm ET football game on a Monday night. They'll be in bed, sleeping, preparing for the work day. Or, those on graveyard shifts will be actually working.

Thursday Night football that starts at 830pm ET >>>>>>>>>>>> Monday Night football that starts at 10pm ET, from a revenue/ratings standpoint.

The data doesn't seem to support that Thursday night football is more dangerous from an injury perspective, so I think we're trying to solve a problem that doesn't exist.

youre right on the Monday Night 10pm point, but it's less rest leads to more injuries and that is obvious. I don't need data to point that out and if you can't see this the conversation is over. Done. You have a different opinion than I do, but the injury issues are obvious.

We aren't trying to solve any problem. It's the NFL that shouldn't have TNF, but that isn't going away.

 

[RavensMania]

Who told you that the injury issue is absolutely real? What's the source of that info?

I've read several articles that did studies on this, and I've not yet seen one draw the conclusion you're drawing.

Yeah, right. I'm sure you have. Of course it's real. Anytime a body isn't well rested and prepared there is more risk of injury.

BTW, coming from a family of doctors sure helps with drawing that conclusion but no I don't have anything in writing and I certainly don't need it.

 

[rmcjacket23]

youre right on the Monday Night 10pm point, but it's less rest leads to more injuries and that is obvious. I don't need data to point that out and if you can't see this the conversation is over. Done. You have a different opinion than I do, but the injury issues are obvious.

We aren't trying to solve any problem. It's the NFL that shouldn't have TNF, but that isn't going away.

LOL, but they're not obvious. If it were obvious, you'd have data up here in about 10-15 seconds. You'd be giving me lists of players or literally any thought at all that supports the opinion.

Like opinions are great to have, but they're also really weak (also known as bad opinions) when they don't have basis. A pre-determined notion that isn't rooted in fact isn't basis. It's just a bad opinion.

 

[rmcjacket23]

Yeah, right. I'm sure you have. Of course it's real. Anytime a body isn't well rested and prepared there is more risk of injury.

BTW, coming from a family of doctors sure helps with drawing that conclusion but no I don't have anything in writing and I certainly don't need it.

Cool. Those doctors should be able to explain how multi-week injuries will materially heal with 2-3 days of extra rest. Spoiler alert... you don't know any doctors that can do that.

NFL employs doctors too you know. If they were the world's foremost authorities on integrity, healing, and actual care for the physical well being of professional athletes, the listing of players on IR would be 5x the list it is. No doctor on planet Earth would advise Baker Mayfield to play competitive, physical sports, with the injuries he has. These guys are routinely prescribed treatments and medications that no other Doctor would prescribe to injured people, because they'd be recommending surgery and rest instead.

This ain't rocket science. The product on the field isn't going to substantially improve with an extra 2-3 days rest. The players know this too. The injuries they're carrying are multiple week injuries that will only heal with multiple weeks of rest and treatment, not with 2-3 days of non-game action (not to mention they're still practicing while they're not playing).

The surgery rooms for pro athletes fill to the hills in January. That's not by accident. Those guys all didn't just get injured the week or two before.

 

[RavensMania]

LOL, but they're not obvious. If it were obvious, you'd have data up here in about 10-15 seconds. You'd be giving me lists of players or literally any thought at all that supports the opinion.

Like opinions are great to have, but they're also really weak (also known as bad opinions) when they don't have basis. A pre-determined notion that isn't rooted in fact isn't basis. It's just a bad opinion.

and that is your opinion, RMC. I'm done I can't convince you and that's fine. I haven't even looked for anything to back it up. I don't need to because I know I'm right.

 

[rmcjacket23]

and that is your opinion, RMC. I'm done I can't convince you and that's fine. I haven't even looked for anything to back it up. I don't need to because I know I'm right.

lol OK. Your last sentence just reminds me of arguing with a five year old. So thanks for the laugh.

 

[RavensMania]

Cool. Those doctors should be able to explain how multi-week injuries will materially heal with 2-3 days of extra rest. Spoiler alert... you don't know any doctors that can do that.

NFL employs doctors too you know. If they were the world's foremost authorities on integrity, healing, and actual care for the physical well being of professional athletes, the listing of players on IR would be 5x the list it is. No doctor on planet Earth would advise Baker Mayfield to play competitive, physical sports, with the injuries he has. These guys are routinely prescribed treatments and medications that no other Doctor would prescribe to injured people, because they'd be recommending surgery and rest instead.

This ain't rocket science. The product on the field isn't going to substantially improve with an extra 2-3 days rest. The players know this too. The injuries they're carrying are multiple week injuries that will only heal with multiple weeks of rest and treatment, not with 2-3 days of non-game action (not to mention they're still practicing while they're not playing).

The surgery rooms for pro athletes fill to the hills in January. That's not by accident. Those guys all didn't just get injured the week or two before.

Really, the NFL has doctors. When are you going to get it in your little mind that this isn't about money, it isn't about product although I did bring that up once days ago. It's about the fucking health of the goddamn players. Nothing else.

AND stop being so fucking sarcastic.

 

[RavensMania]

lol OK. Your last sentence just reminds me of arguing with a five year old. So thanks for the laugh.

and you are the 5 year old. Always has to be right. I could argue the other point and you would switch it around....guaranteed. You also always have to interject in other comments like Rossi saying today that almost every team would be interested in Lamar if we didn't extend him. You just had to go out and check which teams would be interested. Come on man, sometimes things don't need your additional "wisdom".

players have complain that for a league ostensibly concerned with safety, playing while fatigued heightens the risk of injury.

the accumulation of physical and mental fatigue, without the proper recovery, can negatively influence later performance. According to Fergus Connolly, past director of elite performance for the San Francisco 49ers and author of Game Changer, that process of physical recovery generally takes three days, barely enough for the Thursday game.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/blog/2017/sep/28/thursday-night-football-recovery-injuries

The injuries currently may not be much greater, but playing while fatigued does heighten the risk for injury.

 

[rmcjacket23]

Really, the NFL has doctors. When are you going to get it in your little mind that this isn't about money, it isn't about product although I did bring that up once days ago. It's about the fucking health of the goddamn players. Nothing else.

AND stop being so fucking sarcastic.

If it's about the physical health of the players, the NFL can't morally exist. Like you would never be able to reconcile that. 7 days isn't even in the stratosphere for NFL players to recover from injuries. One football game per month, per team, would be a very "debatable" middle ground for protection of players from bodily harm.

It's a complete illogical stance to pretend like 7 days is plenty, but 4 days isn't enough. If I paid the worlds smartest doctor $10M and gave him a year to research it, he couldn't come up with an integrity argument that reconciles in that timeline.

Its a moral impossibility.

 

[rmcjacket23]

and you are the 5 year old. Always has to be right. I could argue the other point and you would switch it around....guaranteed. You also always have to interject in other comments like Rossi saying today that almost every team would be interested in Lamar if we didn't extend him. You just had to go out and check which teams would be interested. Come on man, sometimes things don't need your additional "wisdom".

players have complain that for a league ostensibly concerned with safety, playing while fatigued heightens the risk of injury.

the accumulation of physical and mental fatigue, without the proper recovery, can negatively influence later performance. According to Fergus Connolly, past director of elite performance for the San Francisco 49ers and author of Game Changer, that process of physical recovery generally takes three days, barely enough for the Thursday game.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/blog/2017/sep/28/thursday-night-football-recovery-injuries

The injuries currently may not be much greater, but playing while fatigued does heighten the risk for injury.

Of course they complain genius. They're workers. What the fuck don't workers complain about?

Why bother listening to what they say when you can just listen to what they do? How about instead of extending like three straight CBAs that promote Thursday night football AND add a 17th game to the schedule (by the way... THIS is the argument you should be making for play safety), they, o I don't know, use their collectively bargained powers to fight against it?

Thursday night football exists because the players allow it to exist. Same with a 17th game. And you know why they allow it to exist? Because they make more money from it.

Again, not rocket science. They hate it so much they're willing to put up no fight whatsoever to get it removed. That's called being a hypocrite 101. That's like the clowns who boycott something by talking about it. You're failing.

Sometimes things do need my wisdom. When somebodies argument literally begins and ends with "I just know I'm right, so I don't need to do any research on something I clearly don't understand", lol, yes, wisdom is needed. Just because you don't want the wisdom doesn't mean its not needed.

If people are going to be too lazy to formulate their own opinions through research, there will always be people ready and willing to point out their laziness. That's called life. If people are unhappy with being called out or challenged on their opinions, there's plenty of other places where people can readily engage in group think and drink as much kool aid as they want.

 

[RavensMania]

If it's about the physical health of the players, the NFL can't morally exist. Like you would never be able to reconcile that. 7 days isn't even in the stratosphere for NFL players to recover from injuries. One football game per month, per team, would be a very "debatable" middle ground for protection of players from bodily harm.

It's a complete illogical stance to pretend like 7 days is plenty, but 4 days isn't enough. If I paid the worlds smartest doctor $10M and gave him a year to research it, he couldn't come up with an integrity argument that reconciles is that timeline.

Its a moral impossibility.

That isn't the point and you are totally missing the point .... again. Sunday or Monday to Sunday atleast gives players more recovery time or the normal recovery time that would allow for standard practice and preparation instead of a series of walkthroughs as they do for TNF. No their bodies won't fully recover until the offseason. r

Where in the hell did I say that. I never said 7 days was plenty, not even once did I say that or even imply that. I don't appreciate you putting words in my mouth. It does give the players a chance to rest, the normal amount of time and as I said above not just have walkthroughs like teams do nowadays. I also never said TNF was going away as you tried to say in your earlier point a few days ago, but Sundays are absolutely never going away.