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rossihunter2

rossihunter2

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Michael M. said:
OLine should be a priority, at least 2 position upgrades, i.e. swing tackle and center/guard, and not the typical Raven bargain basement selections. I can't believe the absence of Stanley was the only problem. IF they re-sign Bozeman, I hope its to play left guard, which he was good at. Get a center and a swing tackle, plug and play guys not projects
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eh?
he was just as good, if not better, at center as he was at LG

and we definitely won't be paying him to play LG - we've got 3 guys on the roster already other than him who are going to be competing for that job and not one of them has C versatility

and i think you underestimate just how good stanley is/was - you can roll protection away from his side because (much like yanda) you know he's not going to give up a sack - he's an elite pass protector
 
rossihunter2

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Grim said:
I would not have signed Watkins after we missed out on Juju. Should've just taken that one on the chin when everyone told us no from Juju to that dude from Colts, I forget his name atm. I'd have to go over the entire FA list and tell you. I would've still signed Wolfe. I liked Wolfe, sucks what happened to him but he was a good signing that had some issues.
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you're think of ty hilton

and i dont really see what was wrong with the watkins signing - our WR corps at the point we signed him was Hollywood, Duvernay, Boykin, Proche... and we had no idea whether proche or duvernay were viable WRs at that point either and we had lots of evidence that boykin wasn't

it's 5m we spent on watkins and he also made some pretty crucial plays for us early in the season (people forget that because he disappeared and stopped getting snaps at the end of the year)

what this really comes down to is 2 things:
1) is some recent lack of success on day 3 in the draft - it's the unsung reason why the rams were superbowl champions this year: because they acquired comp picks (just like us) and drafted well on day 3 (just like we have historically but maybe not so much the last 3 or so drafts) and
2) lots of money not on the field because of injuries and lots of cap used up on injury call-ups and replacements
 
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Michael M.

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rossihunter2 said:
eh?
he was just as good, if not better, at center as he was at LG

and we definitely won't be paying him to play LG - we've got 3 guys on the roster already other than him who are going to be competing for that job and not one of them has C versatility

and i think you underestimate just how good stanley is/was - you can roll protection away from his side because (much like yanda) you know he's not going to give up a sack - he's an elite pass
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The 3 guys competing for LG are average, thats why I prefer they not be a starter at the position. I hope Stanley returns full strength but thats not a given. and based on the Mekari contract, that tells me they're not paying him to be a starting RT. I realize everyone is high on Stingley at 14, but if Jackson is your best player, maybe you want to keep him on the field as long as possible so you don't need to rely on a player like Stingley
 
Simba

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If you guys want to take solace in the quietness on day 1, not many of the positions that we need have moved much yet. C is really the only one that has been depleted.

OT, DL, EDGE, CB, and S really haven't moved much beyond a couple of the top guys and then some of the more mid-tier guys. Still lots of room at the top end all the way down for all of these positions.
 
rossihunter2

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Simba said:
If you guys want to take solace in the quietness on day 1, not many of the positions that we need have moved much yet. C is really the only one that has been depleted.

OT, DL, EDGE, CB, and S really haven't moved much beyond a couple of the top guys and then some of the more mid-tier guys. Still lots of room at the top end all the way down for all of these positions.
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only 2 guys we've reportedly had any interest in who've signed elsewhere so far are Jensen and Ogbah and both basically re-signed back with their teams either before tampering officially began or literally as it started lol
 
rossihunter2

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Michael M. said:
The 3 guys competing for LG are average, thats why I prefer they not be a starter at the position. I hope Stanley returns full strength but thats not a given. and based on the Mekari contract, that tells me they're not paying him to be a starting RT. I realize everyone is high on Stingley at 14, but if Jackson is your best player, maybe you want to keep him on the field as long as possible so you don't need to rely on a player like Stingley
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reaching for 1 specific need over talent is a recipe for a bad team

we have a need in the secondary too - and it's likely that the 3 best tackles are all gonna be gone by the time we pick - im not taking the 4th best tackle if he's not worth it just because he's a tackle
 
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Michael M.

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rossihunter2 said:
reaching for 1 specific need over talent is a recipe for a bad team

we have a need in the secondary too - and it's likely that the 3 best tackles are all gonna be gone by the time we pick - im not taking the 4th best tackle if he's not worth it just because he's a tackle
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Then I would think we should get someone in FA.
 
JoeyFlex5

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Deebo813 said:
We just need to do whatever it is in fa so we can avoid going OL with 14th pick.
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I totally get what you’re saying, BUT I’m more of the mindset that we do something to shore up as many weak spots as we can and make a really strong signing at one of them, so we can spend the first 2 days just taking the most impactful players possible.

There’s a pretty strong chance that we have a lot of starters come out of rounds 2-5 in this class on the OL, if we have evaluated well then I think we got a good shot to find a starter at an OL spot on that range
 
SepticeyePoe

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JoeyFlex5 said:
I totally get what you’re saying, BUT I’m more of the mindset that we do something to shore up as many weak spots as we can and make a really strong signing at one of them, so we can spend the first 2 days just taking the most impactful players possible.

There’s a pretty strong chance that we have a lot of starters come out of rounds 2-5 in this class on the OL, if we have evaluated well then I think we got a good shot to find a starter at an OL spot on that range
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Are you talking about a Ben Powers starter, or like a pretty good starter?
 
JAAM

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Deebo813 said:
We just need to do whatever it is in fa so we can avoid going OL with 14th pick.
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Za’ and Tyrann will be Ravens so I’m not sure we’ll get our wish lol
 
Davesta

Davesta

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I still have hope.

Another “Reid” in the secondary. Hopefully tomorrow.
 
Grim

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rossihunter2 said:
you're think of ty hilton

and i dont really see what was wrong with the watkins signing - our WR corps at the point we signed him was Hollywood, Duvernay, Boykin, Proche... and we had no idea whether proche or duvernay were viable WRs at that point either and we had lots of evidence that boykin wasn't

it's 5m we spent on watkins and he also made some pretty crucial plays for us early in the season (people forget that because he disappeared and stopped getting snaps at the end of the year)

what this really comes down to is 2 things:
1) is some recent lack of success on day 3 in the draft - it's the unsung reason why the rams were superbowl champions this year: because they acquired comp picks (just like us) and drafted well on day 3 (just like we have historically but maybe not so much the last 3 or so drafts) and
2) lots of money not on the field because of injuries and lots of cap used up on injury call-ups and replacements
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I get what you’re saying but Watkins was an obvious consolation prize looking back on it. It also is worse because it seemed like everyone knew we were going to take Bateman. Granted that’s happened before and you can’t bank on a draft pick but it feels like we did that. It’s also crazy but I just don’t see a ton of value at FA WRs. Over the years I just haven’t seen any or at least many work out. Real talk but who was the last one who worked out well for any team? I’m actually trying to think of one but most of the guys who come to mind were trades.

I guess what I’m saying is I think if you’re going to build a team have an identity and build around that and invest your capital there heavily. For example, if you want to be a backend heavy team on defense who forces turnovers then invest as such. You still need a pass rush but maybe less than others. If you want to be a run first ball control team then maybe build a solid OL to give the QB time and then build a solid run game. Invest in the OL. I still feel and have always maintained letting Jensen go was a mistake. It took years to replace Birk and when we finally find a guy he walks.

Anyway, I’m still optimistic about the team. Free agency isn’t over and technically hasn’t even started yet. I just hope that we focus a little different. We can’t fix all our holes and I don’t want us to try. I want us to focus on our identity and the identity of the team they want the 2022 Ravens to be and build it out that way. You can’t avoid weaknesses but you can always mask them with great players. Scheme it up and figure it out. If that means signing all the OL then do it to protect Lamar and make this a lethal offense to take the ball out of the other team’s hands. If you want this to be a ballhawk defense, then also invest accordingly.
 
Grim

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JoeyFlex5 said:
Good starter. There’s some dudes in this class for real. I love this OL class, except for center, pretty much bare there, but guards and OTs are all over the place
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It does look like a very good OL class. Would be nice to load up on some especially the tackles. I think TCC could be a sneaky Center for us.
 
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