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airconteka said:
Well that's disappointing. I'm rewatching the wire don't ruin my image
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Worst part is that the wire was realistic for its time, now reality is worse than the show.

And while Baltimore is a shithole, the entire city isn’t, and most of the bad in Baltimore is still a bit of a subculture thing. Its not like Middle East where we could get beheaded just being an outsider lol
 
rossihunter2 said:
id hope the ravens arent petty enough to not sign him - the player's still great, he's still got prior relationships and links to the city and organisation and will still help our team

i think he probably gets more money from a team like the jets or cowboys but if he doesnt id have no problem taking him back (as long as he signs lol)
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Well a) I certainly can't see the Ravens raising their price, so at worst, it'll be the same deal and b) that's assuming we don't add other players elsewhere. Already signed Pierce, who wasn't expensive, but another signing or two like that and you're basically out of money to sign Smith to begin with.

So my guess is he won't sign here after backing out.
 
Simba said:
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ive been for this idea (at the right price) since he was released - i know some wont be enthused by a LB and i do hesitate now that we've added a safety because that means you're either taking queen or wagner off the field on 3rd down or you're not putting stephens on the field (or a corner) and i dont think queen's got that parsons versatility to drop down and be a straight up rusher

but if the price is right there's no way im not exceedingly interested
 
rossihunter2 said:
ive been for this idea (at the right price) since he was released - i know some wont be enthused by a LB and i do hesitate now that we've added a safety because that means you're either taking queen or wagner off the field on 3rd down or you're not putting stephens on the field (or a corner) and i dont think queen's got that parsons versatility to drop down and be a straight up rusher

but if the price is right there's no way im not exceedingly interested
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While I'd like to have Wagner here, and I'll be happy to be wrong, but I think we're sort of "deemphasizing" the position and transitioning, like most teams, do much heavier Nickel and especially Dime packages.

The way our defense is being built, you can see pretty clearly that we want diversity in the secondary. And while I expect them to add multiple Corners in the draft (including one very high), you can easily see us with 6 or even 7 DB looks a lot in this defense. Marlon, Peters, Williams, Clark, and Stephens I think will play a ton, and that's excluding any high-level Corners we take.

So I'm just not certain they're going to value Wagner as high as they probably have valued that position in the past.
 
Grim said:
Yeah for sure QB don’t win it alone but they do get paid the most and are considered the driving force between winning and losing. I agree with your premise but just saying I disagree with how you’re viewing it. I think Watson absolutely does view it that way I mentioned, but that’s pure conjecture. I think that if you are torn and there’s no QB in place then you will evaluate it all. He’s also from down that way and I’m sure that plays a role too.
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I agree that Watson views it that way, but I also think that that way if thinking is why Watson is probably not going to win a title at least in this 4 year span.
 
rossihunter2 said:
id hope the ravens arent petty enough to not sign him - the player's still great, he's still got prior relationships and links to the city and organisation and will still help our team

i think he probably gets more money from a team like the jets or cowboys but if he doesnt id have no problem taking him back (as long as he signs lol)
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Zero chance we sign him. Unless no one signs him for more than we offered.
 
rossihunter2 said:
this is incorrect - he's not counting 50m against the cap yet... in fact he's accounting for less than 30m in cap space in 2022

they're having to slice up their roster because they spent a lot more money and didnt stop during the pandemic and went nearly all in and this is them reaping the consequences of that just like the saints with marcus williams and some other teams
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I did say 50 million cap, I said 50 million AAV. Nowhere in my post did I say 50 million cap.

And yes those teams spent money because they wanted to build a winning team with a franchise QB under contract and that leads you to going all in. So either the Ravens stop trying to find players in free agency to get them over the hump, which will leave you behind teams that do, or they also go all in and then rebuild after.
 
Adreme said:
I agree that Watson views it that way, but I also think that that way if thinking is why Watson is probably not going to win a title at least in this 4 year span.
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Well, realistically, its a multi-year plan for anybody who's acquiring him. Look at the draft capital + player capital it'll take to land them. Most of these teams need significant upgrades at many positions in order to compete, and they're giving up a TON to get him.

Carolina, in my opinion, gives him the best chance to win immediately. Atlanta and New Orleans are overall better franchises where I think he'll be better off long term.

Keep in mind he's still just 26. He'll probably play at least another 10 years. I don't know that winning a SB in 2022 is the highest priority for him.
 
rmcjacket23 said:
Well, realistically, its a multi-year plan for anybody who's acquiring him. Look at the draft capital + player capital it'll take to land them. Most of these teams need significant upgrades at many positions in order to compete, and they're giving up a TON to get him.

Carolina, in my opinion, gives him the best chance to win immediately. Atlanta and New Orleans are overall better franchises where I think he'll be better off long term.

Keep in mind he's still just 26. He'll probably play at least another 10 years. I don't know that winning a SB in 2022 is the highest priority for him.
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I would say that for any NFC team he joins for this year, and considering the contracts next year as well, he is likely to make it to the playoffs and might even win a game or two, but he is not going to be a serious title contender. As much as I dislike them as a team the Browns have a LOT of young talent on that roster and would have Super Bowl aspirations for the next 5 years and if it doesnt work out you can find a new team in 4 years to play for (or if after 4 years they have to blow up the roster).
 
Adreme said:
I agree that Watson views it that way, but I also think that that way if thinking is why Watson is probably not going to win a title at least in this 4 year span.
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This one is easy....go to ATL and get obliterated year in and year out or go to NO and have a %1 chance of winning the Lombardi.
 
Adreme said:
I would say that for any NFC team he joins for this year, and considering the contracts next year as well, he is likely to make it to the playoffs and might even win a game or two, but he is not going to be a serious title contender. As much as I dislike them as a team the Browns have a LOT of young talent on that roster and would have Super Bowl aspirations for the next 5 years and if it doesnt work out you can find a new team in 4 years to play for (or if after 4 years they have to blow up the roster).
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And that's where we disagree. I don't think Watson is a significant enough upgrade in Cleveland over Baker + tons of draft/player capital in order to make them a contender in that conference.

I think the Chargers, Broncos and Chiefs would all still be better than them, I think the Bills would still be better than them, and I think the Bengals and Ravens would be right on par with them. I'd have a hard time putting them as anything higher than the 4th or 5th best team in the Conference with Watson. Like their roster is good, but it's not THAT good.

I think you're also assuming that SB aspirations is like priority 1 in this case. I don't think that's the case at all. I'm not sure that's even on Watson's radar at 26 years old, because most people at that level a) think they're a SB contender wherever they play and b) know they're likely to have a long career, so its long term vs short term.

If Watson's #1 priority were to win a SB in the next couple years, I'm not sure any of the four teams that were on that list are good fits.
 
A1A said:
This one is easy....go to ATL and get obliterated year in and year out or go to NO and have a %1 chance of winning the Lombardi.
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Well any NFC South team with Watson at QB, at the moment, is easily the second best team in the division, and would immediately become the best team in the division, in a landslide, the moment Brady retires, which is literally a year-to-year thing now.
 
JoeyFlex5 said:
Worst part is that the wire was realistic for its time, now reality is worse than the show.

And while Baltimore is a shithole, the entire city isn’t, and most of the bad in Baltimore is still a bit of a subculture thing. Its not like Middle East where we could get beheaded just being an outsider lol
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At least you don't have to fight crocs and sharks every day. And just when you are beating a croc a deadly snake sneaks up and bites your nuts.
 
airconteka said:
At least you don't have to fight crocs and sharks every day. And just when you are beating a croc a deadly snake sneaks up and bites your nuts.
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That’s true but I’d fight animals over gross mismanagement of tax dollars any day. You shoot an animal you go to a taxidermist, you shoot a politician you go to prison
 
Adreme said:
I did say 50 million cap, I said 50 million AAV. Nowhere in my post did I say 50 million cap.

And yes those teams spent money because they wanted to build a winning team with a franchise QB under contract and that leads you to going all in. So either the Ravens stop trying to find players in free agency to get them over the hump, which will leave you behind teams that do, or they also go all in and then rebuild after.
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but ultimately the aav is meaningless in a given year - the cap number is king (unless you're a cash-strapped team which we are not)
if the cap number isnt 50m then it doesnt matter that the aav is

there's about to be new tv money entering the NFL in the next 2 or 3 years - cap's already likely to go up around 20m - new tv money hits and we'll see it go up even more - 50m becomes less and less of a problem at that point
 
JoeyFlex5 said:
That’s true but I’d fight animals over gross mismanagement of tax dollars any day. You shoot an animal you go to a taxidermist, you shoot a politician you go to prison
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i think you underestimate how fucked australia's mismanagement is too lol

in a country that's one of the most affected by climate change, their government is still ignoring it and subsidising oil barons - one of the few countries in the world where there's a chance your home might simultaneously get flooded and also catch on fire

and even scarier they've got deadly fucking spiders
 
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