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I thought I read something saying that Hamilton wanted to play in a different city.
 
rossihunter2 said:
it'll do him a ton of good not to be relied on as a full-time starter and not to be asked to play much outside
not suggesting he'll get back to 2018/2019 pro bowl form but no reason to think he can't add value and security to this CB corps that was probably 1 of only 2 remaining shallow parts of the defence (along with ILB)
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Completely agree
 
Adreme said:
Paying a slot corner 20m is like saying just pay Mark Andrews 25m. Sure it is a thing you can do but it is a waste for the position he is playing.
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Well marlon is never gonna be exclusively a slot corner. He’s shown he can do the “take this player out of the game” role no matter who we face, whether it’s the teams 1, 2, or TE he can go a long way in accomplishing that, and THAT is worth 20m no matter how many snaps he takes in the slot.

Nickel is a starter in todays nfl and if you have a nickel who can dominate in areas outside of just coverage then you have a weapon. I argue you get more value out of hump the more you play him in the slot, because that opens up reps against TEs, blitzes, and screen busting and run support, which frankly he does better at all of them than he does in boundary play. You end up losing when you force players out of their most impactful roles to justify their price tag.
 
Adreme said:
Paying a slot corner 20m is like saying just pay Mark Andrews 25m. Sure it is a thing you can do but it is a waste for the position he is playing.
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why though?

he's not exclusively a slot, so he's not coming off the field... no one had an issue with jalen ramsey playing the star position for the rams last year and he's getting paid more than marlo...

in what way is the slot, in this day and age, a devalued position? if anything, it helps put one of your best players closer to the LoS to be more impactful and harder to remove from the play and allow you to use him to nullify important matchups

did you think it was a waste putting him up against darren waller or hunter renfrow when we played the raiders? he's a versatile man-coverage weapon to put in difficult positions on high leverage plays
 
gtalk12 said:
I thought I read something saying that Hamilton wanted to play in a different city.
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I doubt he would ever say that. His dad was gloating about how lucky Kyle was to be drafted by Baltimore and that was their hope. He was talking about how he knew Ozzie from way back and they had roots to Alabama. So, I'm not sure what to believe.
 
JoeyFlex5 said:
Well marlon is never gonna be exclusively a slot corner. He’s shown he can do the “take this player out of the game” role no matter who we face, whether it’s the teams 1, 2, or TE he can go a long way in accomplishing that, and THAT is worth 20m no matter how many snaps he takes in the slot.

Nickel is a starter in todays nfl and if you have a nickel who can dominate in areas outside of just coverage then you have a weapon. I argue you get more value out of hump the more you play him in the slot, because that opens up reps against TEs, blitzes, and screen busting and run support, which frankly he does better at all of them than he does in boundary play. You end up losing when you force players out of their most impactful roles to justify their price tag.
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Nickel is a starter and they make 8-9m per of you are the best. Paying 20m for a 9m position is just bad investing. Obviously you can throw him there to mix it up, his hands are great so he excels at it, but you want him on the sideline locking down the 20m WR that every team seems to be buying.
 
Adreme said:
Nickel is a starter and they make 8-9m per of you are the best. Paying 20m for a 9m position is just bad investing. Obviously you can throw him there to mix it up, his hands are great so he excels at it, but you want him on the sideline locking down the 20m WR that every team seems to be buying.
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This is just such rigid thinking though. Like every play and drive are gonna be different depending on what the offense is doing. Also not every big money WR you want to shutdown plays on the outside. Some play from the slot.

There are some guys who can only play outside. There are some guys who can only play slot. Marlon can play both very well. In that way Marlon is gonna be all over the field. That is gonna put Fuller in better situations because instead of matching up on Kipp or AJ Brown he can be on some lesser guy. Whether that lesser guy is on the outside or in the slot will constantly be changing.
 
Adreme said:
Nickel is a starter and they make 8-9m per of you are the best. Paying 20m for a 9m position is just bad investing. Obviously you can throw him there to mix it up, his hands are great so he excels at it, but you want him on the sideline locking down the 20m WR that every team seems to be buying.
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Marlons hands are trash lol, and like Rossi said, when Ramsey played a shit ton of nickel in 2021 he impacted the game in ways he never could have when he was staying on the boundary. It’s not a 9mil position, you’re thinking of a slot corner as a cb3 but when teams move their most dangerous player to the slot week in and week out then you’re not gonna want a 9m cb3 covering them
 
Adreme said:
Nickel is a starter and they make 8-9m per of you are the best. Paying 20m for a 9m position is just bad investing. Obviously you can throw him there to mix it up, his hands are great so he excels at it, but you want him on the sideline locking down the 20m WR that every team seems to be buying.
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You mean the 20m WRs who align all over the formation to create favourable matchups including in the slot... there are very few top WRs who don’t play a ton of snaps in the slot
 
Adreme said:
Nickel is a starter and they make 8-9m per of you are the best. Paying 20m for a 9m position is just bad investing. Obviously you can throw him there to mix it up, his hands are great so he excels at it, but you want him on the sideline locking down the 20m WR that every team seems to be buying.
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Yeah there's only one problem with this logic... you're assuming all the best WRs play in the same formation all the time.
You realize the Bengals used to kill us with AJ Green because they would just flex him to the slot?
When that happens, you have two options... move your top tier Corner down into the slot to cover him, or put an inferior player on him.
Which one of those do you think is effective?

The guy I probably wouldn't pay $20M to is the guy who you're afraid to move to the slot. That's the guy I want no part of. A guy who can only play outside and only plays one side of the field. That guy is not overly difficult to beat schematically.
 
airconteka said:
The $20m CB follows the $20 WR that's called maximising your asset.
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Maybe. There's no one-size-fits-all approach to playing defense.
Why doesn't Peters follow the best receiver? Is he significantly worse than Marlon as a coverage Corner? I don't think so. I'm not assigning matchups based on compensation I know that.

Belichick for a few years used to notoriously NOT put his best Corner on another team's best receiver. He'd double the best receiver with a weaker Corner and Safety or Linebacker help, and he'd put people like Gilmore on the teams 2nd best receiver, knowing he could handle them in man coverage.

This all also implies that the team is actually playing man coverage to begin with. In Zone coverage, its a whole different beast. And I think you'll see more of that this year than in the past.
 
Adreme said:
Your best combination is Humphrey and Peters outside. Both are, or were when they last played, too 10 corners (Marlon being top 5). Humphrey isn’t bad in the slot and better than Fuller but the drop off on the outside is not worth it.
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it may work that way, but I don't see Kyle Fuller playing the slot much here. He didn't do well there last season in Denver and prior to that played very little in the slot.
 
JoeyFlex5 said:
Marlons hands are trash lol, and like Rossi said, when Ramsey played a shit ton of nickel in 2021 he impacted the game in ways he never could have when he was staying on the boundary. It’s not a 9mil position, you’re thinking of a slot corner as a cb3 but when teams move their most dangerous player to the slot week in and week out then you’re not gonna want a 9m cb3 covering them
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No I’m thinking of slot corner as a guy you pay to play that position and the highest paid is at 9m. I didn’t make up a number, I looked up the highest paid slot corner before saying that number.
 
RavensMania said:
it may work that way, but I don't see Kyle Fuller playing the slot much here. He didn't do well there last season in Denver and prior to that played very little in the slot.
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The gain from Fuller to Humphrey in the slot is significantly less than the drop off from Fuller to Humphrey outside.
 
Adreme said:
No I’m thinking of slot corner as a guy you pay to play that position and the highest paid is at 9m. I didn’t make up a number, I looked up the highest paid slot corner before saying that number.
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Did you ever think the highest paid slot CB is only paid $9M because he only plays the slot? The best CBs in the league move all around the field for the most part
 
Simba said:
Did you ever think the highest paid slot CB is only paid $9M because he only plays the slot? The best CBs in the league move all around the field for the most part
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This.

Adreme said:
No I’m thinking of slot corner as a guy you pay to play that position and the highest paid is at 9m. I didn’t make up a number, I looked up the highest paid slot corner before saying that number.
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Jalen Ramsey makes more than 9mil
 
Adreme said:
No I’m thinking of slot corner as a guy you pay to play that position and the highest paid is at 9m. I didn’t make up a number, I looked up the highest paid slot corner before saying that number.
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Right but those are basically players who only play slot and are rarely, if ever, asked to play outside.
If you were doing proper research, you'd have realized that guys like Jalen Ramsey, who make a lot more than $9M, play about 1/3 of their snaps at slot as recently as 2020. So it would seem teams have no issue paying lots of money to players who can move around the field (shocker).
 
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