The DL, The Lamar and Another Blown Lead

[UPennChem]

Uh, Dobbins may have reinjured his knee

Why do you keep saying this though? No one has reported that

 

[UPennChem]

Not really a comparison, just saying how much of a difference it makes to have a guy who can make plays and cover. Likewise with Kevin Byard. Saints fans right now are literally complaining about the team not keeping Marcus Williams; look at the type of game Tyrann had to today.

Of course safety isn't more important than pass rusher, but in Za'Darius case, Minnesota has Danielle Hunter on the other side. It's easier to eat when you have an elite pass rusher opposite of you. We don't have anyone comparable to Danielle here.

I hear you, but it's obviously always nice to have a legitimate first ballot HOF at any position on your team.

Agree we don't have a guy like Hunter here but someone of Oweh, Houston, and JPP were supposed to be good enough. Or at least made better by someone like Zadrius.

 

[29BmoreBird22]

Why do you keep saying this though? No one has reported that

Harbaugh said his knee tightened up, but we have no idea what that means exactly.

 

[allblackraven]

I hear you, but it's obviously always nice to have a legitimate first ballot HOF at any position on your team.

Agree we don't have a guy like Hunter here but someone of Oweh, Houston, and JPP were supposed to be good enough. Or at least made better by someone like Zadrius.

But what's the problem? ZDS was a bitch, he agreed to the offered deal, then bailed out. Are you saying we should have upped the offer? Not in a million years.

 

[D1City55]

I hear you, but it's obviously always nice to have a legitimate first ballot HOF at any position on your team.

Agree we don't have a guy like Hunter here but someone of Oweh, Houston, and JPP were supposed to be good enough. Or at least made better by someone like Zadrius.

Oweh is a good player but he's a work in progress. Nowhere near the talent or ability of Hunter. Houston and JPP's best days are behind them as well. I think Houston was doing good off his own ability and it's clear that we miss him being out there.

Back the Williams, the play between him, and any safety we've had recently is very noticeable. You would have to go back to Weddle's 2016 season to think of a time we've had a safety playing this well(And Weddle that year brought a lot to this defense). It's just unfortunate that he got hurt but that's how the dice rolls sometimes. It's easy to say Stone has us thinking that we should've signed Za'Darius but that's in a very small sample size. He could blow a big play soon and I wouldn't be surprised.

 

[D1City55]

But what's the problem? ZDS was a bitch, he agreed to the offered deal, then bailed out. Are you saying we should have upped the offer? Not in a million years.

Exactly, we had a deal, his agent backed out, and that was that. No way in hell do you just offer more money. You just can't in that situation.

 

[UPennChem]

Harbaugh said his knee tightened up, but we have no idea what that means exactly.

Thank you!!

 

[UPennChem]

Oweh is a good player but he's a work in progress. Nowhere near the talent or ability of Hunter. Houston and JPP's best days are behind them as well. I think Houston was doing good off his own ability and it's clear that we miss him being out there.

Back the Williams, the play between him, and any safety we've had recently is very noticeable. You would have to go back to Weddle's 2016 season to think of a time we've had a safety playing this well(And Weddle that year brought a lot to this defense). It's just unfortunate that he got hurt but that's how the dice rolls sometimes. It's easy to say Stone has us thinking that we should've signed Za'Darius but that's in a very small sample size. He could blow a big play soon and I wouldn't be surprised.

You're really overtaking what I'm saying. This has nothing to do with his injury. Williams is the best safety we've had in a long while. Would agree since Weddle at his best. Geno is not Williams and will likely fuck up because he's not Williams. The Williams move was a good move. I agree with ALL THIS. I'm simply saying that pass rusher is a more important position than S and in a perfect world the Ravens offer Zadrius a fair contract outright which he doesn't squirm his way out of like an asshole.

 

[UPennChem]

But what's the problem? ZDS was a bitch, he agreed to the offered deal, then bailed out. Are you saying we should have upped the offer? Not in a million years.

Lol now you're overtaking what I'm saying too. You're totally right, he was a bitch. And funny enough (could be wrong on this) I think we did up it once and I think he agreed to 2 deals with us and still left!!! I'm in no way advocating we should've just given in and directly paid more because that sets very bad business precedence.

In a perfect world though, EDC offers ZDS something fair outright and he actually signs. Eric's offer in retrospect was actually super disrespectful.

 

[Deebo813]

Look how quick they get outta the huddle and into the play. Meanwhile, we take up 20 seconds for Greg’s long ass play calls and spend the remaining 3-5 seconds for presnap motions. Defense fully rested by then or delay of game. Sigh I’m getting jealous lol

Are we sure its cause of roman long play calling?

 

[Davesta]

Are we sure its cause of roman long play calling?

It’s been known that his plays got long ass names to it. But shoot, Lamar prolly repeats it 2-3x in the huddle, who knows.

Wished we went no huddle more and just keep defenses on their heels

 

[D1City55]

You're really overtaking what I'm saying. This has nothing to do with his injury. Williams is the best safety we've had in a long while. Would agree since Weddle at his best. Geno is not Williams and will likely fuck up because he's not Williams. The Williams move was a good move. I agree with ALL THIS. I'm simply saying that pass rusher is a more important position than S and in a perfect world the Ravens offer Zadrius a fair contract outright which he doesn't squirm his way out of like an asshole.

I don't see how they should've offered him a more fair contract when his agent(Or whomever is negotiating the deal) agreed to the deal to begin with. When the deal was announced, did anyone think "Oh man, they should have offered him more money, no he's going to back out the deal". No, of course not, that sounds ridiculous, no one had the hindsight to think Za'Darius would've backed out but he did. I don't see how that's fair criticism to the Ravens.

If we're talking about the importance of the position overall, then it's fair to criticize their approach overall. For the past couple seasons they haven't invested much. That we can all agree with, but saying they should've offered Za'darius more is bizarre. He shouldn't have backed out the deal to begin with.

Also, yes, pass rusher is more important, but what would you rather have? An elite safety or a good pass rusher? There's not a lot of blue chip players out there as is. Also, again, we don't have Danielle Hunter here, the Vikings do, that's a massive difference.

 

[UPennChem]

I don't see how they should've offered him a more fair contract when his agent(Or whomever is negotiating the deal) agreed to the deal to begin with. When the deal was announced, did anyone think "Oh man, they should have offered him more money, no he's going to back out the deal". No, of course not, that sounds ridiculous, no one had the hindsight to think Za'Darius would've backed out but he did. I don't see how that's fair criticism to the Ravens.

If we're talking about the importance of the position overall, then it's fair to criticize their approach overall. For the past couple seasons they haven't invested much. That we can all agree with, but saying they should've offered Za'darius more is bizarre. He shouldn't have backed out the deal to begin with.

Also, yes, pass rusher is more important, but what would you rather have? An elite safety or a good pass rusher? There's not a lot of blue chip players out there as is. Also, again, we don't have Danielle Hunter here, the Vikings do, that's a massive difference.

When we originally signed Zadrius, I posted that he got him for a ridiculous steal and it didn't even really make sense. I was so shocked I was calling it one of the greatest moves ever lol because it was so under the market value. I can truly dig for it if you want proof.

Turns out being so under market value came back to bite us. I do think your point about his agent accepting it though is a fair critique. It's the Ravens prerogative to offer whatever they want and if the agent accepts well its supposed to be a done deal. Turns out in this case that just simply didn't happen. Such a fucked situation.

Also personally, I'd say Zadrius is a little better than just good, I'd say he's in the top 10% of pass rushers. And again personally I'd rather have a top 10% pass rusher than a top 5% S, but that's just me. I totally understand where you're coming from and I don't think you're saying anything crazy.

 

[allblackraven]

When we originally signed Zadrius, I posted that he got him for a ridiculous steal and it didn't even really make sense. I was so shocked I was calling it one of the greatest moves ever lol because it was so under the market value. I can truly dig for it if you want proof.

Turns out being so under market value came back to bite us. I do think your point about his agent accepting it though is a fair critique. It's the Ravens prerogative to offer whatever they want and if the agent accepts well its supposed to be a done deal. Turns out in this case that just simply didn't happen. Such a fucked situation.

Also personally, I'd say Zadrius is a little better than just good, I'd say he's in the top 10% of pass rushers. And again personally I'd rather have a top 10% pass rusher than a top 5% S, but that's just me. I totally understand where you're coming from and I don't think you're saying anything crazy.

What was the Ravens offer? Cause he only got 6.5M guaranteed at signing and 11.5 total guaranteed. I don't believe we were much lower than that.

 

[UPennChem]

What was the Ravens offer? Cause he only got 6.5M guaranteed at signing and 11.5 total guaranteed. I don't believe we were much lower than that.

We offered 4 years for a max of 35m.
The vikings offered substantially more at 3 years and a max of 42 million.

Obviously APR isn't everything but I can't find the guaranteed money for some reason rn.

Ravens APR is 8.75.
Vikings APR is 14.0.

HUGE difference

 

[allblackraven]

We offer 4 years for a max of 35m.
The vikings offered substantially more at 3 years and a max of 42 million.

Obviously APR isn't everything but I can't find the guaranteed money for some reason rn.

Ravens APR is 8.75.
Vikings APR is 14.0.

HUGE difference

Yeah but if you look at his cap numbers, it's pretty obvious he'll get cut after this season, unless they work out some longer term extension. I reckon he would have made more $$ had he signed with us.

 

[UPennChem]

He definitely wont be cut until after next season. Will def make at least 11m over 2 years

 

[UPennChem]

Zeitler literally looked emotionally broken in his small interview. Never seen him in particular like that

 

[Bmorebruised]

If he wants a fully guaranteed contract then he has play way better than this.

Agreed. He’s not worth the big money…hell of an athlete…but Lamar plays a backyard style of football that’s tough to assign a $ value to…his youth reminds me of a young Tiger Woods but watching Lamar age will be much more painful if not a total loss. Also, I don’t know if he can ever react cerebrally enough in a critical situation except for running the ball. Double that pressure in the playoffs and the dude just unravels. I’d make him a franchise guy but for honest money…none of this Watson mess.

 

[allblackraven]

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He definitely wont be cut until after next season. Will def make at least 11m over 2 years

Yeah, after next season