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The Awful, The Run Defence and The Offence

rossihunter2

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I’d argue that’s how the plays are designed. There’s not really an effort to go deep until we absolutely need to. But teams are just sitting on that short shit because they know that’s all we’ve got. Also doesn’t help that Huntley is a true one read QB. If that read isn’t there, he’s running or trying to make a throw on the run which has been disastrous.

it's those 2 things combined
it's the fact that he's not a threat deep which condenses the offence and makes it easier to defend, but similarly is a 1-read and bail QB which reduces the time for receivers to work their way open

really reduces the types of routes and combinations you can put out there and expect to succeed

and when people say Huntley's good because he allows us to run the same offence, i just laugh now, because the offence is not built around what Ty can do, it's built almost the opposite way - Lamar's consistently given 2 plays in the huddle and trusted to put us in the right play, expected to make full-field reads and consistently read high-to-low with quick processing, making line calls etc. and he does all of that and since Bateman's injury we've not been successful deep, but this offence is still designed (with Lamar) to be a complementary offence built around big plays in the passing game supported by a consistent and physical running game

lamar can be held partially culpable for the lack of big plays in the passing game - he had a few games of poor form where he was missing too many deep balls - but even that threat of those missed deep balls opened up the underneath passing game...

lamar could probably throw a ball backwards while falling over with more velocity than huntley can when in rhythm
 

allblackraven

Hall of Famer
I think Harbs is fine HC and one we could win SBs with. But if you don't already have top tier coordinators, if you go too long without bringing in externals, it will definitely show and rear its ugly head. I think that's where we're out. Just stale everywhere. Wasting a very talented roster.
This might be at the core of our issues.

Draft, as well.
We are awful with WRs and we even consciously ignore the position. Shoot ourselves in both feet because we have OC who doesn't know what to do with receivers. We did not hit on pass rusher since Suggs. D lineman since Ngata. Our drafted corners are mostly trash.

There are no difference makers on this team among either coaches or players. What little we have (Lamar, Andrews, Dobbins, Stanley) is wasted through incompetence all around them.
 

Militant X 1

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This Ravens offense is pathetic.
 

Simba

Staff Member
Moderator
My final point before I go to bed…

It’s just frustrating seeing that we’re okay with mediocrity. Not saying you need to make wholesale staff changes in season but you have to shake things up in some respects. Feels like all of this is just saying that we’re okay with being who we are and that’s a big concern of mine. And that starts from the top down, all the way to Bisciotti. You know he’s not happy right now. I know he doesn’t like to make changes just for the sake of making changes, but he’s gotta be playing scenarios in his head right now.
 

Davesta

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I feel this game may have been the tipping point. It should have been waaayyyyy wayyyy long ago but you can clearly see he's defeated. Big changes are definitely going to happen. Maybe not tomorrow but in the offseason.



Everyone sees it. John just needs to go. He just can’t pick coordinators. And when they are crappy coordinators, he sticks by em for years and waste our roster. We just need a fresh start
 

rossihunter2

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I don't think we'll have to wait for the offseason, you could be right but this wasn't the usual Harbaugh we see after a loss like you said too. He knows something needs to change, and I think he's not going to wait until the offseason. I don't know of a head coach who fired coordinators just a week or so out of the playoffs but tonight feels different. I think we'll get some news in the afternoon of someone being let go. Maybe it's Macdonald, but we can build off this season with the defense and another year with Macdonald. Given the offensive struggles, it could very well be Roman gone with either Urban or Martin taking over as OC for the rest of the season.

i dont believe for a second that he's gonna change something right now - happy to be wrong but pretty certain he wont

if he was gonna make a change on offence during the season it was gonna be during the bye or after the browns game, and i dont see him making a change on defence in-season (if at all)

i think though that both coordinators should consider themselves firmly on the hot seat with 2 games (and hopefully more) to save their jobs
 

Davesta

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i dont believe for a second that he's gonna change something right now - happy to be wrong but pretty certain he wont

if he was gonna make a change on offence during the season it was gonna be during the bye or after the browns game, and i dont see him making a change on defence in-season (if at all)

i think though that both coordinators should consider themselves firmly on the hot seat with 2 games (and hopefully more) to save their jobs

Harbaugh should be on the hot seat.

Bring me Sean Payton

#SIIE
 

JO_75

Hall of Famer
Harbaugh should be on the hot seat.

Bring me Sean Payton

#SIIE
There will be no team willing to give up a 1st for Sean Payton. They only have his rights through next season right? I can see Sean staying with FOX and the TV gig for 2023, then in 2024 come back when he can choose his own team.
 

Ellicottraven

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My final point before I go to bed…

It’s just frustrating seeing that we’re okay with mediocrity. Not saying you need to make wholesale staff changes in season but you have to shake things up in some respects. Feels like all of this is just saying that we’re okay with being who we are and that’s a big concern of mine. And that starts from the top down, all the way to Bisciotti. You know he’s not happy right now. I know he doesn’t like to make changes just for the sake of making changes, but he’s gotta be playing scenarios in his head right now.
Nope. He isn't. According to him based on previous interviews, making the playoffs each year is good enough for him.
 

Davesta

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If Harbaugh refuses to fire Roman and continues to stink up the joint through the playoffs, can it be so bad?

It feels like a lose lose.

If we have playoff success, Harbs dumbass Gon flip it into “we got so close, let’s keep GRo for another year.”

If we don’t have playoff success.. well that sucks too.

Sigh
 

Ellicottraven

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I don't think blaming the defense for this loss is the right way to go. For most of the game the defense didnt allow a touchdown and The Ravens offense just couldn't get any touchdown or 3 points when they really needed it. After that Justice Hill kick return The Ravens offense had a great opportunity to score or atleast get 3 points but for some reason they couldn't capitalize on the opportunity
They blew that opportunity. They could've iced the game on that possession with 7 points.
 
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