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Did they send them to Australia for punishment like the Poms did?
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Did they send them to Australia for punishment like the Poms did?
Thezone27
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They stripped him of his ownership and gave it to his wife, but he still had power over her
RaineV1
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Well, even going beyond the bit of creativity the 49ers also have possibly the best WR combo, and the best receiving TE, and the best receiving runningback. When you combine that with a creative HC and a patient, smart QB like Purdy it's nearly unstoppable. The 49ers have more talent on offense than any of the remaining teams, and nearly all of it is home grown.
rmcjacket23
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Kittle is not a better TE (or receiving TE) than Kelce.
If we're talking straight pass catchers, I don't think they're clearly above anybody but KC. I would take Brown/Smith and Chase/Higgins over Deebo/Aiyuk as a WR tandem. At TE Kittle is not better than Kelce and is about on par with Goedert.
Thezone27
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Best TEs on the league ranked:
Travis Kelce
Mark Andrews
George Kittle
Darren Waller (A former Raven)
Kyle Pitts?
ravenslord
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Here's the problem the Ravens face while trying to sign Lamar.
IMO there are only 3-4 Qb's better than him : Burrow,Allen,Mahomes. Its debatable regarding Hurts,Herbert,Lawrence?Tua ain't better
So Lamar is in the top 5 .
So the reality is you won't be able to replace him with anyone near his capability unless you get lucky in the draft.
Lamar really is in the driver seat in the negotiations. I just hope he allegedly stops asking for 100 % fully guaranteed money.
IMO there are only 3-4 Qb's better than him : Burrow,Allen,Mahomes. Its debatable regarding Hurts,Herbert,Lawrence?Tua ain't better
So Lamar is in the top 5 .
So the reality is you won't be able to replace him with anyone near his capability unless you get lucky in the draft.
Lamar really is in the driver seat in the negotiations. I just hope he allegedly stops asking for 100 % fully guaranteed money.
rmcjacket23
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OK, but here's the problems they don't face:
1. You don't need a top 5 QB to win a lot of games in this league. You don't even need a top 5 QB to win a Lombardi. So even if you were to move on from Lamar and replace him with somebody else, that somebody else doesn't have to be equal or better than Lamar.
2. If we agree he's top 5, but not #1 or probably 2-3 (which I think everybody agrees he's not), then we probably shouldn't be having discussions about him being paid as #1. We are purely because other teams have been desperate to sign other players, and because the market doesn't assign $ values based on arbitrary "ranks" of players.
End of day, it all depends on how you view the market.
If the argument is he should be paid as a top 5 QB in this league, then the latest "alleged" offer from the Ravens is extremely fair, because it achieves that across the board. Basically makes him the 3rd highest paid player in the league on every metric, including guaranteed money.
The irony is that if you're in the camp that the argument is "he shouldn't take a penny less than Watson, because he's better than Watson", that logic also has serious flaws. Namely... a) there's no objective measurement showing he is better than Watson and b) you're basically saying that he deserves to be paid more than others who have accomplished more than he has, purely because somebody else was.
That's how the league works though. The best player isn't always the highest paid. Hell, Flacco had a brief run as the highest paid QB and not one person thought he was even top 5 in the league at that point. I think Lamar's was a fair offer from the Ravens perspective but that also doesn't mean Lamar had to take it. He knows he can and likely will get more. As long as the cap continues to rise, salaries are going to continue to rise.
rmcjacket23
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I agree it is. I'm mostly just pointing out the hypocrisy of the public's (and in some ways, Lamar's) argument.
Lets say you've taken the stance that Lamar should be paid equal or more than Watson. Why do you think that? Chances are because you think Lamar is better than Watson, right?
So you've decided that Lamar should be paid based on an arbitrary "ranking" compared to his peers, because you've decided he deserves more because he's better than X player.
Simultaneously, you're also saying he deserves more than Mahomes, or Allen. And you're saying that, why, exactly? Is it because you think Lamar is better than those two players? Or is it just because those deals are "older" and aren't reflective of the market (I'd argue they still are though)?
That's where the argument goes off the rails for me. You want him compared to his peers when the peers are higher paid and worse than him, but you don't want him compared to his peers when the peers are better but lesser paid. Not just a little hypocritical and unintelligent if you ask me.
And precisely why I don't think the Ravens are going to get into those games.
Again, I'm not saying it's right but it's literally how the NFL works nowadays. The next guy is routinely the highest paid. Players should be pushing for that. It's not hypocritical or unintelligent - it's reality. Because when guys like Mahomes and Allen are back at the negotiating table, their deals will again set the market.
Tank
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Outlier here is that Flacco had a very good playoff record at that point and just came off a SB win and SB MVP. Probably not a good analogy.
That’s just an example. We’ve had plenty of ‘clearly not the best QB in the league’ guys get paid like it.
Thyre losing to the eagles
UPennChem
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Kirk Cousins hurts even worse then Joe
UPennChem
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If the Ravens are truthfully totally intent on signing Lamar long term, then they are already fools for not signing him last year.
If they wait for Herbert and especially Burrow to sign, Lamar's will be way higher than it would have been at the beginning of last offseason. That's just simply the way the NFL works.
Lamar might want to wait for their contracts and force them to make him play on the tag. They're prepared for it. They've for a couple of years been making sure they can tag him. But that's such a BS strategy. Destroys this team's window.
Lamar is probably not going to have the longest career in the NFL. Probably not gonna be playing at 40. Maybe not even at 35. The goal is to have LJ8 in his prime and win as many SBs as you can with your transcendent talent.
But no, they're pretending like he's gonna play forever and we need to be "competitive" for the next 10 years with him
If they wait for Herbert and especially Burrow to sign, Lamar's will be way higher than it would have been at the beginning of last offseason. That's just simply the way the NFL works.
Lamar might want to wait for their contracts and force them to make him play on the tag. They're prepared for it. They've for a couple of years been making sure they can tag him. But that's such a BS strategy. Destroys this team's window.
Lamar is probably not going to have the longest career in the NFL. Probably not gonna be playing at 40. Maybe not even at 35. The goal is to have LJ8 in his prime and win as many SBs as you can with your transcendent talent.
But no, they're pretending like he's gonna play forever and we need to be "competitive" for the next 10 years with him
Ellicottraven
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If you ask me, they've already screwed up 4 yrs of his prime by not giving him the weapons to excel in the regular and postseason. Wideouts that can consistently beat coverage and get open. More importantly, catch contested balls. In other words, if he had a Diggs, Chase, Hopkins, or Cheetah, he would literally be unbeatable.
ravenslord
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