SepticeyePoe
Hall of Famer
I'm still willing to give Elias a chance to correct his mistakes in the offseason. But if he doesn't make any changes, it will be hard to believe in what he's doing
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Tank
Hall of Famer
I can agree that he should have been more aggressive signing 1 more quality starter, but Elias is not the reason the team is floundering.
drjohnnyfever
Pro Bowler
Honestly, the other thing I don't like about the FA signings this year is the one year term of them. The whole staff as it exists now is gone at season's end. Maybe one left over or two who are still injured now, but it's a skeleton staff at best. I was hoping for a little more money spent after Burnes fell thru to get us some time to adjust to the injuries.
And btw, I've read all the stuff about Burnes too. He was going to sign a deal close to the West Coast almost from the beginning. the Orioles might have had the best offer for a period of time, but I think they always had their limit - obviously they did because they didn't completely break the market to get him.
Nevertheless, there was little to no talk about interest in other pitchers during almost the entire duration of "having money on the table" with Burnes. And the guys they signed in the end were typical of the Elias FO - great upside and a little cheaper than others. Problem is, the upside they have been counting on amounts to the best years these guys have pitched. That's not upside to me, that's wishful thinking. They needed 2 legit number twos. They haven't gotten that and the guys they did are probably more in the 3-4 range at this point of their careers... and old pitchers get injured.
But the hitting has, indeed, been atrocious. I predicted to my wife when she asked what they were going to do because they weren't winning: They're going to fire the hitting and pitching coaches. I think I might have liked that a little better, but heads were gonna roll, you could feel it.
And btw, I've read all the stuff about Burnes too. He was going to sign a deal close to the West Coast almost from the beginning. the Orioles might have had the best offer for a period of time, but I think they always had their limit - obviously they did because they didn't completely break the market to get him.
Nevertheless, there was little to no talk about interest in other pitchers during almost the entire duration of "having money on the table" with Burnes. And the guys they signed in the end were typical of the Elias FO - great upside and a little cheaper than others. Problem is, the upside they have been counting on amounts to the best years these guys have pitched. That's not upside to me, that's wishful thinking. They needed 2 legit number twos. They haven't gotten that and the guys they did are probably more in the 3-4 range at this point of their careers... and old pitchers get injured.
But the hitting has, indeed, been atrocious. I predicted to my wife when she asked what they were going to do because they weren't winning: They're going to fire the hitting and pitching coaches. I think I might have liked that a little better, but heads were gonna roll, you could feel it.
Tank
Hall of Famer
Would seem the plan was to mix in experienced guys with young aces. Unfortunately, young pitchers get injured too.
SepticeyePoe
Hall of Famer
Maybe not the entire reason, but it is ultimately his responsibility the team went from 101 and 91 wins to being on pace for 50-60 ish wins.
He's been great, but the problem is for the most part he's the only one who has been pitching well.
drjohnnyfever
Pro Bowler
...and somehow they're all injured... It's just too fishy after last season.
Maybe the explanation for the rest of the team is that they feel it's futile when the whole pitching staff is injured. idk but that is some defeatist crap that we've lived thru in the past.
Sugano has done well, but he's auditioning for a bigger contract next year. One year contracts blow.
drjohnnyfever
Pro Bowler
The bigger story is Mateo spelling Mullins. I think come the trade deadline Mullins is gone. Mateo had the ball in his glove til the impact knocked it out. Great effort.
Tank
Hall of Famer
That’s a possibility since Ced is a free agent after this season, but there were others sitting and a bunch of switches in that game after a weird two days in Boston due to the rain. I think the big story was the excellent start by Trevor Rogers. He was un hittable for 6 innings before coming out in the 7th. Hopefully he can continue that form, a shame he hadn’t recovered sooner from the knee injury.
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drjohnnyfever
Pro Bowler
This is just the language of, "We are investigating serious trades at this time, so just because they are on the IL, it doesn't mean they aren't ship shape, but we don't want them "really" injured before you get them."
drjohnnyfever
Pro Bowler
The beginning of the season - the first two months - was such a giant bucket of ice water thrown on us. I still think we can manage second in the East, but unless they keep tearing it up like they have been for the past 10-15 games, anything above the 2nd WC seems unlikely.
Yet, they are playing good baseball. I don't know if the Hyde firing had anything to do with it, but they are playing much better in every part of their game.
Yet, they are playing good baseball. I don't know if the Hyde firing had anything to do with it, but they are playing much better in every part of their game.
drjohnnyfever
Pro Bowler
...and it's on to the A's - my second favorite team - who have been similarly uninspiring for the beginning of the season. Hard season to get excited about until recently.
Tank
Hall of Famer
I’ve always liked the A’s uniforms, wonder if there’s a chance they keep them when they move to Vegas....and it's on to the A's - my second favorite team - who have been similarly uninspiring for the beginning of the season. Hard season to get excited about until recently.
drjohnnyfever
Pro Bowler
idk, but I hope they keep them and the colors. I like the Vegas colors with the Raiders' traditional black and silver and the Golden Knights with the black and gold, but I hope they hold onto the green and yellow and some of the old logos like the elephant. Those 70's teams the A's had with the wild colors and mustache crew were so cool to watch as a kid - then to my horror they were the O's kryptonite, yet I couldn't help but love the off balance personalities and look. When Reggie came to the O's I was so excited. Then he betrayed us and went to the evilest empire ever known to mankind...