If the world functioned like that, this wouldn't have to be a rule.
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Dean
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What's your point?
That the idea of hiring strictly the best candidate without outside bias doesn't exist.
Dean
Practice Squad
I'm just saying hiring the candidate with the most experience/ merit is always the best way to go...regardless of color. DEI hiring is nonsense.
Sure, that sounds wonderful in theory, but as we know, not everything works out as it should in theory.
I disagree, but especially in the case of the NFL where they're requiring minorities to get an opportunity. Thinking that's ridiculous is... woof, that's a bad take.
rmcjacket23
Ravens Ring of Honor
So the main problem is that "experience and merit" is inherently subjective. Ravens hired a guy with no HC experience, while not hiring several available coaches who do have HC experience. So our current hire doesn't fit the qualifications of "experience", because he literally has none doing the job he's hired to do, and "merit" is purely an interpretation made by the people hiring them.
Since there's no possible objective measurement for either, a team can attribute "merit" based on skin color if they preferred.
Dean
Practice Squad
You're entitled to your opinion of course, but to opine that skin color matters more than experience in a job hiring situation wrong from the get go on many levels.
rmcjacket23
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I mean the take is bad, but DEI really can't be a thing in a company or, in this case, an entire industry, where the predominant worker is a minority. If you isolate the total employee population to just a small subset of entire population, it looks bad. That would be true in the overwhelming majority of companies in the world, because very few of a mystical "perfect blend" of diverse talent across all job types and skill sets within an organization.
Where did I say that?
rmcjacket23
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I mean in terms of NFL teams, "experience" clearly isn't a critical factor in decision making to begin with. If it was, nobody could ever hire Jesse Minter as a HC over Sean McDermott. But they did.
Dean
Practice Squad
Where you said "I disagree." Like I said, you got your opinion and I got mine...that's where it ends.
Dean
Practice Squad
Obviously they saw something to hire Minter...they weren't throwing darts at pictures to make a choice.
rmcjacket23
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Correct. HC experience wasn't something they saw in him. You were the one that suggested that experience and merit was a factor. Experience couldn't have been a factor if other there were other coaches with more experience.
You're missing the point where experience and certainly merit, of the same candidate, can differ entirely based on the person doing the evaluation.
Yeah, I don't disagree at all. I think it's a very difficult thing to actually balance and flesh out perfectly, but I do appreciate the NFL is requiring opportunities be extended to minority groups, at least.
Yeah, I didn't say that at all (skin color matters more than experience in a job hiring situation)
Dean
Practice Squad
You're splitting hairs now. Minter has coaching experience, not as much as other longer tenured coaches true, but his track record is strong and he's young with new ideas. So the Ravens chose him as their new HC. My point...again... from the beginning of this thread is basing a HC employment position (or any position for that matter) merely on skin color is ridiculous.
Not a single person has advocated for this.
Dean
Practice Squad
That's good to know.
rmcjacket23
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Nobody is basing the position on skin color. They're basing an interview as such. An interview is merely that... an interview.
And yes, the Rooney Rule, without question, has led to people getting interviewed for jobs they otherwise wouldn't get an interview for because of skin color. In some cases that led to successful hires (like Mike Tomlin). In others, it led to comically time-wasting interviews that achieved nothing. Welcome to the fabulous word of forced optics.
And I'm not splitting hairs. You're using words like experience and merit as if there's some clearly defined traits that all teams are looking for in either of those buckets. They're the broadest possible terms intentionally. They could mean anything. "Young with new ideas" doesn't really fit at all into either "experience" or "merit".