Nope. Allen had an awesome combine but Rosen far outdid even my expectations by showing that he is an absolute charmer and that he didn't have an above average arm, but a good arm in general. Sure, Allen is still more physically talented, but put the pads on. Allen may be more gifted But Rosen's baggaage is easily lesser on the field.
You liked Allen more than Rosen? You kept saying Rosen was the best in the class
Was going to say. Rosen performed even better than expected. He showed a great arm(60 yard deep ball on a line= great arm). Allen's arm may be elite but poor pocket presence is going to kill him in the pros
Not to jump in, but how often do qbs throw more than 50 yds in the air really
Not often.. But this only strengthens my claim that Rosen is the best QB in the draft. Even with a shit offensive line that dude was deadly accurate from a 5-20 yard distance. Allen struggles mightily with accuracy in general, ESPECIALLY when the pocket around him is going to shit. Rosen has a few plays throughout my watchings of him that prove that he is willing to face pressure and still deliver an accurate strike.
Allen is joe flacco. On rsr that guy kyle that writes awful articles hates flacco but loves Allen. He cant see the hypocrisy
I don't see Flacco in Allen. I saw Flacco more in Carson Wentz. Allen is more athletic than Flacco was coming out of school, but Allen lacks the polish(I use that term very loosely with Flacco coming out of school since he was also raw) that Flacco did. Flacco also had better accuracy and ability to navigate a pocket. Lance Z compared him to Jake Locker. I feel like that's a lazy comp as per usual from him.
And combine numbers close to identical to Pitta... Slightly faster in the combine but he plays at more of a 4.6-4.7 range.
i didnt exactly immerse myself in allens film but i watched him a decent amount, i dont recall pocket presence being an issue, as a matter of fact i thought it was a strength. are we considering pocket presence 2 different things? because i loved the way he was able to shake off pressure and extend the play with his feet. my knock on him was always the balls that got away from him far too often along with him putting his receivers in a position to fail(throwing in impossible catching windows/plain bad decision making.
He can roll out to the right but the moment the rush is coming he doesn't stand tall and take a beating, he makes either a very high risk decision(which will kill him in the pros) or he just takes the sack. Rosen and Darnold stand tall in the pocket, take the hit, but make the throw. That's concerning. Sure, Allen can extend plays with his feet, which is impressive, but in the pros where the LBs are not only as fast as he is, but also a lot bigger, that's not going to work as often. Allen is a great athlete, but he's not Cam Newton or Wilson.
i gotcha, yeah i just had a more broad definition of pocket presence, meaning he successfully bought time when he felt pressure coming.
Allen's cannon for an arm and good athelticism for a QB makes him intriguing but he struggles with the most basic of accuracy for a pro prospect when the pads come on, and he cannot really read a defense all that well. I don't see it with this guy. His athleticism provides intrigue as does his arm, but let's not pretend that Rosen or Darnold are lacking in arm strength.
yeah i havent liked allen much at all and dont understand the hype. i liked him coming into the season, i watched his opening game vs iowa, and immediately said fuck this guy. his accuracy and decision making make him look uncoachable tbh.
Hed be awesome here. Would def bring s
Sutton was pacing himself. He was running slow so he can focus on catching passes. If you watcb Ridley run it hes going near full speed letting his hamds react. I felt like Sutton was waiting for each throw, seems like he trained really bard for that drill. Which iant necessarily a bad thing i jist dont think he looked as natural as you say. Didnt see St. Brown.