Its just remarkable that out of all the injuries, Siragusa is the only one I've seen that was during a contact drill. According to Zrebiec Gillmore went down in a non-contact 7 on 7 drill without being touched.
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Its just remarkable that out of all the injuries, Siragusa is the only one I've seen that was during a contact drill. According to Zrebiec Gillmore went down in a non-contact 7 on 7 drill without being touched.
Sooky
Pro Bowler
Has anyone else noticed it seems like it is the young guys in the first few seasons getting injured as well? Makes me wonder if they pushed some of these younger guys too hard too fast. I know Gillmore is in his like 4th season but he is always injured.
He was
You're definitely right about younger guys getting injured more. I don't know much about medicine, but I think it might be more of an issue of preventative training than being pushed too hard in practice. It would make sense that older players would probably know how to better take care of themselves in the offseason than younger players would who are coming out of a college program that likely has "one size fits all" training regiments.
Things like knee ligament injuries are more difficult to prevent since they usually result from unnatural lateral movement (hard cuts, coming down from a jump wrong, etc.) and they can only be indirectly strengthened in a weight program. Usually these are better characterised as the "freak accident" types of injuries. Which, unfortunately have dominated this offseason.
The soft tissue injuries are the more frustrating onea for me since they are usually more preventable with things like stretching, flexibility training , etc. This kind of covers the swath of guys like Campanaro and Gillmore (pre-knee injury) who, it seems, are always struggling with some kind of sprain or pull. For what its worth, it seems like the team has better addressed these kinds of issues as Camp was the only notable soft tissue injury Ive really seen so far.
Boldnpurpblack
Practice Squad
Im gonna choose to look on the bright side.
Loved Dixon's potential, but at least this will force us to ride with 1 RB and let him get in a groove, instead of rotating them every 2-3 plays. Time to shine West.
Other than him, Tavon is the only real loss. Canady stinks bc he was getting buzz, but in reality i thought we could be good before the players ever hit the field and that was without thinking Canady would contribute anything.
Goose, Gillmore, Urschel, who cares? Sure depth and all that, but if we were going to rely on those guys we were going to suck anyways.
If Flacco's fine, and we don't suddenly lose someone really important - we're fine. Jimmy, Suggs, Weddle, Mosley, and Bwill on defense. Flacco, Yanda, Stanley, West, Woodhead, Mac/Wallace/Perriman.... we're good. We have 15 TE's who are the same guy. So not worried about Gillmore.
We're fine.
Loved Dixon's potential, but at least this will force us to ride with 1 RB and let him get in a groove, instead of rotating them every 2-3 plays. Time to shine West.
Other than him, Tavon is the only real loss. Canady stinks bc he was getting buzz, but in reality i thought we could be good before the players ever hit the field and that was without thinking Canady would contribute anything.
Goose, Gillmore, Urschel, who cares? Sure depth and all that, but if we were going to rely on those guys we were going to suck anyways.
If Flacco's fine, and we don't suddenly lose someone really important - we're fine. Jimmy, Suggs, Weddle, Mosley, and Bwill on defense. Flacco, Yanda, Stanley, West, Woodhead, Mac/Wallace/Perriman.... we're good. We have 15 TE's who are the same guy. So not worried about Gillmore.
We're fine.
The Raven
Veteran
Thanks for the optimism. As defeated as I feel it's important to remember that we haven't even had a preseason game yet, and we still have a number of talented players on the roster that are still healthy,
BloodRaven
MVP
Are you wondering because about my opinion so you disagree with it? Anyways this took about 5 seconds to find on Gillmores nfl.com draft profile:
Weaknesses
Underdeveloped lower body with limited overall weight-room strength. Not a nuanced route runner to create separation and lacks polish releasing off the line (pinballed too easily). Limited suddeness and burst out of his breaks. Marginal creativity after the catch. Lacks top-end speed to threaten the seam. Has been a bit of a china doll and long-term durability requires evaluation. Recorded a 1.77-second 10-yard time, tied for slowest among tight ends at the combine.
China doll seems to be a fitting description for his pro career so far.
Heres the piece on the Perriman family curse
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/spor...d-perriman-nfl-draft-0430-20150429-story.html
BloodRaven
MVP
I might start the hashtag #nomorechinadolls
SepticeyePoe
Hall of Famer
Here's some good news. Zrebiec: Ravens practice ended with Tim White catching TD pass. He and fellow UDFA WR Quincy Adeboyejo had good practices.
https://twitter.com/jeffzrebiecsun/status/892766778211880960
https://twitter.com/jeffzrebiecsun/status/892766778211880960
Boldnpurpblack
Practice Squad
Thats cool. But hearing that UDFA receivers had good practices doesnt inspire too much optimism for me. Always hear this every year, and then they dont make the team or actually contribute.
UDFA LB, DL, or maybe even an OL? Ok, i can buy it. But an UDFA at a skill position? Yawn...
So, not really sure how this fits, but apparently the Ravens really felt like if Dalvin Cook fell to them in the second, they could have snagged him and had a pretty special talent.
The Vikings ultimately ended up with him and they feel like they have the next big thing at RB after losing AP.
If Cook turns out to be as good as some expect he can be, we'll have seen the Colts go from Manning to Luck and then the Vikings go from AP to Cook.
The Vikings ultimately ended up with him and they feel like they have the next big thing at RB after losing AP.
If Cook turns out to be as good as some expect he can be, we'll have seen the Colts go from Manning to Luck and then the Vikings go from AP to Cook.
JoeyFlex5
Hall of Famer
https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/crockett-gillmore-1.html
10, 12, 11, 12. Number of games Crockett played each season, suggesting a relatively clean bill of health, far better track record than what he's shown in the NFL.
And do You think I don't know about the OSD? Do you know what it does? Have you looked into the actual medical explanations of it? It's literally the tendons growing slower than your bones during growth spurts and in adulthood the only lingering effects tend to be a bit of soreness on occasion with no real debilitating effects
SepticeyePoe
Hall of Famer
That's true, but it's better hearing someone is doing well than hearing someone got hurt.
Boldnpurpblack
Practice Squad
haha this is true.
hahaha lol - i had OSD as a kid and literally played through it aged 12/13 so im pretty sure that even if it was an issue that a professional athlete could play through it... it hurts but it doesnt hinder you at all really
cobrajet
Hall of Famer
I remember when he showed up at halftime and the Mud Dogs won the Bourbon Bowl.
JoeyFlex5
Hall of Famer
I have heard countless stories just like this, "I had OSD and it was completely gone by the time I turned 20, I haven't felt it since"
I know a career roofer who had it, and a career carpet installer who had it. You LITERALLY could not think of 2 jobs harder on someone's knees. One was in his 50s and the other in his 40s. If Brett perriman can have a relatively solid NFL career with OSD, and if people can spend decades working on their knees with it, I'm sure it's a non factor
its exactly the same with sever's disease and noone ever makes a big deal out of that... (probably coz no one's heard of it because it's not a big deal or relevant to adult life)
BloodRaven
MVP
Gillmore missed games and and his long term durability was questioned, hindsight tells us those concerns were right.
As for Perriman well what else is there to say? All we've seen is two lame duck seasons and the confirmation that hes injury prone. Maybe theres no connection to his family disease but his father says he still feels lingering effects so I wont rule out a link. You want to come up with some context or silver lining? thats fine, they dont need someone to defend their honor its not personal.
Its not about defending honor its about the fact that you invented a cause to an effect which would make just as much sense as if I said "His hair is this shade so therefore THAT is the cause of his injuries". The injury bug did not really affect Perriman until he made it to the pros in the same way that it ends up biting other people. Once you get injured you are more likely injured again which is why injury history matters but that doesnt make you immune from injury when you hit the NFL. Some players just get bit by the bug once they hit the NFL.