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Welcome to the Ravens, Hayden Hurst and Lamar Jackson

cdp

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Hurst looks to be as advertised, a monster. You can see why they bypassed the likes of Ridley to pick him and he will be the Day 1 starter they need for him to be.

First impressions of Lamar, while obviously displaying great athleticism, he looks much more raw. The whippy, time consuming throwing motion doesn’t look smooth and is a worry. You have to wonder if shifting the balance away from the run will place extra pressure on his passing and affect his performance.

Jackson’s Wonderlic also remains a huge concern in that it’s a statistical fact that there have been only a handful of starting QBs with a low score and they are a minuscule percentage in the group of hundreds. It’s possible he will overcome the negatives, but I’m just trying to keep it real. He seems like a really great kid and I’ll be pulling hard for him to develop, but he’s not the lock that many seem to think he is.
Lamar ist raw no doubt. But it was right to draft him, we might have gotten a franchise QB at the end of the 1st round. That doesn't happen very often. At some point we had to get a QB. It's better you'd draft them in advance.
Watching Lamar it shows he finds the holes in zone coverage & anticipation which is rare for these type of qbs, he understands coverages and he moves defenders.
 

rossihunter2

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First impressions of Lamar, while obviously displaying great athleticism, he looks much more raw. The whippy, time consuming throwing motion doesn’t look smooth and is a worry. You have to wonder if shifting the balance away from the run will place extra pressure on his passing and affect his performance.

His action is whippy but it doesn’t look slow to me - there’s not a huge windup and the release is fast - if his base was wider i feel like it might look less whippy anyway

I really do think his footwork will solve a lot of ills in his overall throwing - that’s a big if but is not at all unlikely per se
 
Hurst looks to be as advertised, a monster. You can see why they bypassed the likes of Ridley to pick him and he will be the Day 1 starter they need for him to be.

First impressions of Lamar, while obviously displaying great athleticism, he looks much more raw. The whippy, time consuming throwing motion doesn’t look smooth and is a worry. You have to wonder if shifting the balance away from the run will place extra pressure on his passing and affect his performance.

Jackson’s Wonderlic also remains a huge concern in that it’s a statistical fact that there have been only a handful of starting QBs with a low score and they are a minuscule percentage in the group of hundreds. It’s possible he will overcome the negatives, but I’m just trying to keep it real. He seems like a really great kid and I’ll be pulling hard for him to develop, but he’s not the lock that many seem to think he is.
Lamar’s throwing motion is not time consuming. You want to see a time consuming motion look no further than Sam Darnold. He has a baseball pitchers throwing motion. Wonderlic has nothing to do with how good the QB is going to be. You can have Ryan Fitzpatrick scoring almost perfect on it or you can have Jim Kelly and Steve McNair with awful scores. The fact that Lamar Jackson didn’t have an agent has a lot to do with his wonderlic score. I’m sure an agent with expierence with Qbs would’ve shown him how to prepare for the wonderlic.
 

allblackraven

Hall of Famer
His action is whippy but it doesn’t look slow to me - there’s not a huge windup and the release is fast - if his base was wider i feel like it might look less whippy anyway

I really do think his footwork will solve a lot of ills in his overall throwing - that’s a big if but is not at all unlikely per se
Besides, his base isn't always narrow. Even his college tape shows improvement in that aspect, the main thing to work on is zillions of repetitions, until the proper stance becomes natural.
 

Tank

Hall of Famer
Lamar ist raw no doubt. But it was right to draft him, we might have gotten a franchise QB at the end of the 1st round. That doesn't happen very often. At some point we had to get a QB. It's better you'd draft them in advance.
Watching Lamar it shows he finds the holes in zone coverage & anticipation which is rare for these type of qbs, he understands coverages and he moves defenders.
Agreed, it’s a relatively inexpensive path to a potential franchise QB. Just saying Lamar is a project and not yet what some seem to think he is.
 

Tank

Hall of Famer
Wonderlic has nothing to do with how good the QB is going to be. You can have Ryan Fitzpatrick scoring almost perfect on it or you can have Jim Kelly and Steve McNair with awful scores. The fact that Lamar Jackson didn’t have an agent has a lot to do with his wonderlic score. I’m sure an agent with expierence with Qbs would’ve shown him how to prepare for the wonderlic.
Actually it’s a statistical fact that the overwhelming percentage of NFL starting QBs have higher Wonderlic scores. Having a high score doesn’t guarantee success, but a low score has historically spelled failure. Not saying it’s impossible, but the statistical odds are against him.

Here’s an interesting illustration of the statistics.

https://www.outkickthecoverage.com/nfl-quarterback-wonderlic-scores-matter-a-great-deal-042417/
 
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cdp

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Actually it’s a statistical fact that the overwhelming percentage of NFL starting QBs have higher Wonderlic scores. Having a high score doesn’t guarantee success, but a low score has historically spelled failure. Not saying it’s impossible, but the statistical odds are against him.

Here’s an interesting illustration of the statistics.

https://www.outkickthecoverage.com/nfl-quarterback-wonderlic-scores-matter-a-great-deal-042417/
An agent would've clearly helped Lamar for the wonderlic. You can be an intelligent guy, but you have to be prepared for the format of the exam.
But not hiring an agent might be an advantage for the ravens. Ozzie and decosta met the "real" Lamar and got honest answers and not some agent-biased answers.
 

Tank

Hall of Famer
An agent would've clearly helped Lamar for the wonderlic. You can be an intelligent guy, but you have to be prepared for the format of the exam.
But not hiring an agent might be an advantage for the ravens. Ozzie and decosta met the "real" Lamar and got honest answers and not some agent-biased answers.
Whatever you want to think, but there’s really nothing special about the format of the test. It’s been used throughout the employment world since the 1930s to measure the abilities of entry level employees to learn and solve problems. As with any test I’m sure there’s a margin for error, but there’s no factual way to rationalize a score of 13 is anything but below average.

Hey maybe Lamar beats the odds, I’m hoping he does.
 

JoeyFlex5

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Hurst looks to be as advertised, a monster. You can see why they bypassed the likes of Ridley to pick him and he will be the Day 1 starter they need for him to be.

First impressions of Lamar, while obviously displaying great athleticism, he looks much more raw. The whippy, time consuming throwing motion doesn’t look smooth and is a worry. You have to wonder if shifting the balance away from the run will place extra pressure on his passing and affect his performance.

Jackson’s Wonderlic also remains a huge concern in that it’s a statistical fact that there have been only a handful of starting QBs with a low score and they are a minuscule percentage in the group of hundreds. It’s possible he will overcome the negatives, but I’m just trying to keep it real. He seems like a really great kid and I’ll be pulling hard for him to develop, but he’s not the lock that many seem to think he is.
his release is very fast. not time consuming at all.
 

Tank

Hall of Famer
his release is very fast. not time consuming at all.
Winding up takes time. If he can develop a more conventional release he will be smoother and quicker. And as an NFL QB he’s not going to be running the ball a third of his plays in a game as he did in college. It’s a concern how that affects his passing and decision making abilities.
 
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RavensMania

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Hurst looks to be as advertised, a monster. You can see why they bypassed the likes of Ridley to pick him and he will be the Day 1 starter they need for him to be.

First impressions of Lamar, while obviously displaying great athleticism, he looks much more raw. The whippy, time consuming throwing motion doesn’t look smooth and is a worry. You have to wonder if shifting the balance away from the run will place extra pressure on his passing and affect his performance.

Jackson’s Wonderlic also remains a huge concern in that it’s a statistical fact that there have been only a handful of starting QBs with a low score and they are a minuscule percentage in the group of hundreds. It’s possible he will overcome the negatives, but I’m just trying to keep it real. He seems like a really great kid and I’ll be pulling hard for him to develop, but he’s not the lock that many seem to think he is.
And some of the highest scorers on the wonderlic were downright awful qbs. It asbolsutely means nothing. All it means is he isn’t good at standardized tests.
 

Tank

Hall of Famer
And some of the highest scorers on the wonderlic were downright awful qbs. It asbolsutely means nothing. All it means is he isn’t good at standardized tests.
Yes, high scores mean nothing, but low scores mean everything. It just a fact, not an opinion.
I’ll put this here again just in case you missed it. In reading make note that Donovan McNabb(15) is the only player drafted in the last twenty years that had a poor score and went on to a successful career as an NFL QB.

https://www.outkickthecoverage.com/nfl-quarterback-wonderlic-scores-matter-a-great-deal-042417/
 

RavensMania

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Yes, high scores mean nothing, but low scores mean everything. It just a fact, not an opinion.
I’ll put this here again just in case you missed it. In reading make note that Donovan McNabb(15) is the only player drafted in the last twenty years that had a poor score and went on to a successful career as an NFL QB.

https://www.outkickthecoverage.com/nfl-quarterback-wonderlic-scores-matter-a-great-deal-042417/
I would never use the wonderlic as a gage for anything and as mentioned earlier, if he had an agent, he would have been more prepared for the exam.
 

Ellicottraven

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Yes, high scores mean nothing, but low scores mean everything. It just a fact, not an opinion.
I’ll put this here again just in case you missed it. In reading make note that Donovan McNabb(15) is the only player drafted in the last twenty years that had a poor score and went on to a successful career as an NFL QB.

https://www.outkickthecoverage.com/nfl-quarterback-wonderlic-scores-matter-a-great-deal-042417/
Please don't forget Dan Marino who had a pathetic score as well that went on to be quite adept at reading defenses.
 

Ellicottraven

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Just as an aside Ray Lewis was known for his football IQ across the league. He was simply fabulous because he knew the plays that were being called sometimes ahead of the offensive players that executed them. Guess what his wonderlic score was? Exactly that of Lamar - 13!! Football IQ is a whole lot different imho. Hard to nail down a player's football intelligence with wonderlic scores. Also, Jeff George who had a lengthy career as QB had a wonderlic score of 10...
 

Tank

Hall of Famer
Please don't forget Dan Marino who had a pathetic score as well that went on to be quite adept at reading defenses.
Yep, there’s always a chance, but not much of one. Marino(16), Bradshaw(16), Kelly(15), McNabb(15). A few guys out of several hundred, not the best odds.
 

Tank

Hall of Famer
I would never use the wonderlic as a gage for anything and as mentioned earlier, if he had an agent, he would have been more prepared for the exam.
lol.......Did you even read the article? If so you’re ignoring facts. And the test questions are very basic, there’s really nothing to prepare for, an agent would be of no help. If you wanted to know the format or do a practice exam a simple google search gives you that.
 
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Tank

Hall of Famer
Just as an aside Ray Lewis was known for his football IQ across the league. He was simply fabulous because he knew the plays that were being called sometimes ahead of the offensive players that executed them. Guess what his wonderlic score was? Exactly that of Lamar - 13!! Football IQ is a whole lot different imho. Hard to nail down a player's football intelligence with wonderlic scores. Also, Jeff George who had a lengthy career as QB had a wonderlic score of 10...
Jeff George sucked. just sayin’ lol
 

DeVito52

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Shut the fuck up about wonderlic scores already. It's been proven good QBs can have bad scores. Get tf over it. It's only 7 below average anyway.
 
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