The Forty, the Fumble, and the Fucking Déjà Vu

[rmcjacket23]

Situational awareness. It's something I preach at work daily. Of course we have the benefit of knowing how it ended up, but Keon was going to the end zone on that shit. Eradicated all of our hopes with a simple ankle swipe.

IF he decides to score. I'm not sold he would have.

 

[rmcjacket23]

Shell shocked puh-lease, that's what you pay Lamar 250+ million for, you give him the ball and win or die with that.

Except when you die with it, you fans criticize John, Lamar, or anybody else for not punting. The only decision that won't get them criticism is the one that works.

 

[Simba]

Even though i agree with you, all it takes is one play! If we had to march down the field to score, i wouldnt have faith but 1 play? That dejection gonna go away soon as you get out there knowing you only need 2 yards to win the game. One little prep talk in the huddle and everyone good for one single play.

And that’s where it’s a coaching issue to me. Just like the players didn’t want it, the coaches didn’t either. It felt like they were all in shock and effectively paralyzed at that point. They compounded bad decision after bad decision up to that point. Why was that one play going to be any different?

 

[Simba]

IF he decides to score. I'm not sold he would have.

It’s hard to know for sure but Keon looked like a man headed for the end zone

But either way, not making the tackle is your only shot at the stage. He may still go down but at least there's the possibility that he doesn't.

 

[Deebo813]

It’s hard to know for sure but Keon looked like a man headed for the end zone

He 100% was gonna score

 

[OURavensFan]

Except when you die with it, you fans criticize John, Lamar, or anybody else for not punting. The only decision that won't get them criticism is the one that works.

The defense should have been capable of getting one stop, they were pathetic

 

[UKRaven1827]

The defense should have been capable of getting one stop, they were pathetic

That play at the end of the first half to allow them to get to the sideline was sickening.

They should be embarrassed watching that back.

 

[rmcjacket23]

And that’s where it’s a coaching issue to me. Just like the players didn’t want it, the coaches didn’t either. It felt like they were all in shock and effectively paralyzed at that point. They compounded bad decision after bad decision up to that point. Why was that one play going to be any different?

I don't blame coaching for issues like fumbles or players missing blocking assignments or things like that. That shit is 100% on the players. They're not coached to do any of that, and they just don't execute it. Seen it plenty of times in big games. Dropped passes, fumbles, sloppy decisions and turnovers, etc. Coaches aren't going to be able to fix that.

Where I see coaching lacking in some aspects is definitely in schemes, and in situational awareness. I look at stuff like Simpson sliding to recover a punt where he clearly doesn't have to. The schemes and coverage designs when you're trying to stop a team from driving 50 yards for a FG with 25 seconds left. Didn't like some of the offensive play calling late in the game. That's all coaching. That's the stuff that they can fix.

But there's too many "not quite good enough" moments in these big games for seemingly random players individually. Henry fumbles. Mark Andrews drops passes last year. Zay fumbles the year before. Lamar making bad throws/decisions at bad times. Corners or Safeties dropping balls they can easily catch for interceptions.

It's just weird.

 

[Simba]

I don't blame coaching for issues like fumbles or players missing blocking assignments or things like that. That shit is 100% on the players. They're not coached to do any of that, and they just don't execute it. Seen it plenty of times in big games. Dropped passes, fumbles, sloppy decisions and turnovers, etc. Coaches aren't going to be able to fix that.

Where I see coaching lacking in some aspects is definitely in schemes, and in situational awareness. I look at stuff like Simpson sliding to recover a punt where he clearly doesn't have to. The schemes and coverage designs when you're trying to stop a team from driving 50 yards for a FG with 25 seconds left. Didn't like some of the offensive play calling late in the game. That's all coaching. That's the stuff that they can fix.

But there's too many "not quite good enough" moments in these big games for seemingly random players individually. Henry fumbles. Mark Andrews drops passes last year. Zay fumbles the year before. Lamar making bad throws/decisions at bad times. Corners or Safeties dropping balls they can easily catch for interceptions.

It's just weird.

Yeah both sides shoulder the load in this loss. Players made dumb mistakes and coaches compounded those mistakes with bad decisions.

But yeah you aren't wrong. I don't know how you fix your best players faltering in the most critical moments. It's wild how often it bites us. Just feels like we play with such a sense of paranoia when the moment is big.

 

[OURavensFan]

Had we won we’d be very happy but also everyone would be saying, but doesn’t matter until January. The Bills schedule is simply too easy, they play Jets, Dolphins , pats and panthers next. We will have to play them in Buffalo again no way around it, I’m getting very sick of losing to their stupid fanbase

 

[D1City55]

It hasn’t been brought up much, but I’m really sick about the play where Trenton Simpson caused a touchback rather than allowing the ball to be downed at the 1 or 2 yard line. That drive ended in a touchdown for the Bills and we all know how rare it is for a team to produce points when back up that much. It was such a boneheaded play honestly and the only thing worse was the Derrick Henry fumble.

 

[redrum52]

It’s hard to know for sure but Keon looked like a man headed for the end zone

But either way, not making the tackle is your only shot at the stage. He may still go down but at least there's the possibility that he doesn't.

Only off watching the game live it felt like he pulled up somewhat then made his mind to try and score. That would be the only play Jaire makes...

 

[Deebo813]

We really played prevent and still let them get the ball to the sideline with 7 seconds left lmao. Thats not on zach orr, more so the players but zach orr still ass and have no schemes, disguises or nothing. He does have some good red zone defense though

 

[OURavensFan]

It hasn’t been brought up much, but I’m really sick about the play where Trenton Simpson caused a touchback rather than allowing the ball to be downed at the 1 or 2 yard line. That drive ended in a touchdown for the Bills and we all know how rare it is for a team to produce points when back up that much. It was such a boneheaded play honestly and the only thing worse was the Derrick Henry fumble.

They’d have gone on a 99 yard TD drive

 

[redrum52]

Had we won we’d be very happy but also everyone would be saying, but doesn’t matter until January. The Bills schedule is simply too easy, they play Jets, Dolphins , pats and panthers next. We will have to play them in Buffalo again no way around it, I’m getting very sick of losing to their stupid fanbase

We essentially choked any chance at homefield last night

 

[gtalk12]

Special teams and de

I don't blame coaching for issues like fumbles or players missing blocking assignments or things like that. That shit is 100% on the players. They're not coached to do any of that, and they just don't execute it. Seen it plenty of times in big games. Dropped passes, fumbles, sloppy decisions and turnovers, etc. Coaches aren't going to be able to fix that.

Where I see coaching lacking in some aspects is definitely in schemes, and in situational awareness. I look at stuff like Simpson sliding to recover a punt where he clearly doesn't have to. The schemes and coverage designs when you're trying to stop a team from driving 50 yards for a FG with 25 seconds left. Didn't like some of the offensive play calling late in the game. That's all coaching. That's the stuff that they can fix.

But there's too many "not quite good enough" moments in these big games for seemingly random players individually. Henry fumbles. Mark Andrews drops passes last year. Zay fumbles the year before. Lamar making bad throws/decisions at bad times. Corners or Safeties dropping balls they can easily catch for interceptions.

It's just weird.

Prevent defense at the end of the half

 

[OURavensFan]

We essentially choked any chance at homefield last night

It seems crazy to admit this week 1 but it really feels like there’s no chance now. We can reassess in a month or so I guess

 

[gtalk12]

I will say this...

that offense was humming without getting TE's involved. Lamar, Henry, Zay, Bate, Nuk

I think it's going to be even crazier this year

 

[OURavensFan]

I will say this...

that offense was humming without getting TE's involved. Lamar, Henry, Zay, Bate, Nuk

I think it's going to be even crazier this year

Because of the opponent and our aspirations we’re obviously all upset but lowkey the offense looked unreal until they were held back from winning. Go on a winning streak and we will forgive

 

[gtalk12]

Well this is RavenRockaRolla's analysis. Its' better than many of those given credit for being in the know. If you want to get to the bottom of the issue, you don't want to be paying much attentiont to PFF or any of those other pay for play sites. Bottom line is that the Raven secondary is not good. Allen did not throw for 400 yards upon a good secondary. A bad secondary can be masked by a good pass rush and great linebacker play, but that didn't happen either. Hamilton almost blocked the winning field goal and may have touched the ball. That was close. LJ played well and Flowers looked awesome. But the defense was definitely not good.

I am not even sure the issue is the secondary when the line is allowing the Qb to just sit back there and pick us apart. Nobody was getting home.