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Its gonna suckIt’s going to be weird not having Pat out there.
Because a 2 is a sizable overpay to go from 14 to 8. So you would need a pick back. A 3rd gets it close and then some day 3 picks can be thrown together to get the value right.1. Where are the Ravens getting another third round pick from? If you're getting a third back in a move up, it's costing you next years 1st, not pick 45. 31 NFL teams are saying no thank you to some offer involving giving up 45 and getting like pick 80 back. Horrendous deal for the acquiring team. If you're getting a pick back at all to give up 45, its definitely a day 3 pick, and I'd bet it's not a 4th rounder either. Draft trade value charts are not historically accurate when it comes to determining trade value.
2. Many of the players Hendrickson would play ahead of had very little sack production last year to replace. That's how you get 30 as a team. Hendrickson doesn't need to carry the slack. Madubuike does. Mike Green does. They had low sack numbers. If you get even one additional sack out of both of them, you're at league average already.
3. Paying for Crosby is acquiring proven talent with a track record of on-field output. Trading multiple assets to acquire Bain is, like every draft pick, a totally "maybe". Maybe at his peak, he's Oweh. Nobody knows. That's why unless you feel like he's a true game wrecker, you sit and wait to see if he falls, or you let him slide further and make a trade that involves giving up picks you don't actually care about.
4. Forcing yourself to use a 3rd rounder on a Center basically means he has to be good. Otherwise, you're just worse on the Oline. You want to take a player, not a position.
As in, your understanding is that THEIR understanding is maybe more uncertain this morning than it was yesterday?Told a good number of you who reached out directly yesterday who the presumed target was. Text this morning was a simple shoulder shrug emoji. So who knows what we're about to see.
I get the sense it was a tad misportrayed. The guy was an option and remains an option, but is not the only option.As in, your understanding is that THEIR understanding is maybe more uncertain this morning than it was yesterday?
1. An overpay based on what? An arbitrary trade value chart? Not only could it simply not be an overpay at all, but a) the objective of the team you're trading with is to make you overpay and b) it's entirely possible that based on what actually happens in drafts, it's an underpay, not an overpay. They may want more than just 45. Certainly reasonable, given that they have something you want. If you compared many first round trades of any magnitude in recent years, you're going to find "overpay" compared to these trade value charts is an understatement. Teams are not only overpaying, they're overpaying by a significant magnitude in a lot of cases.Because a 2 is a sizable overpay to go from 14 to 8. So you would need a pick back. A 3rd gets it close and then some day 3 picks can be thrown together to get the value right.
We don’t know if JM is playing this year at all. Furthermore the argument is “one player isn’t taking you from bottom 5 to average. Arguing that maybe others can do better doesn’t really address that premise and instead dodges it. Saying that the snaps Trey is taking would account for 3-5 sacks is a low number and is why the team is bad at pass rush but to reach 40 he needs 10 AND those 3-5. Otherwise they don’t get to 40.
You get both in this scenario: an elite player with a proven track record and an elite prospect with high upside. You are right that maybe he doesn’t succeed. However maybe is a flawed way of thinking. Maybe Trey is washed after his injury. Maybe Crosby is worse than Oweh now. You can throw maybes about everything to argue against doing anything. There are 3 pass rushers with all pro potential and Bain is one of them.
Your 4th point applies to whatever round they use to draft a C or G. If he is bad then you are worse off. That’s how drafting works though and that need exists whether they fill it on day 1 or day 2 with the same risks if they don’t fill it.
Tonight’s either gonna be boring af or we’re gonna do something crazy
The arbitrary trade value chart that seems to roughly track with every trade for the past 30 years yes. Given that it seems to be the thing every single team has followed then you can basically gauge the value of each trade based on it and a 1st and a 2nd is an overpay so a 3rd would have to come back and then a few late round swaps to even out the value.1. An overpay based on what? An arbitrary trade value chart? Not only could it simply not be an overpay at all, but a) the objective of the team you're trading with is to make you overpay and b) it's entirely possible that based on what actually happens in drafts, it's an underpay, not an overpay. They may want more than just 45. Certainly reasonable, given that they have something you want. If you compared many first round trades of any magnitude in recent years, you're going to find "overpay" compared to these trade value charts is an understatement. Teams are not only overpaying, they're overpaying by a significant magnitude in a lot of cases.
2. Where did you come up with 3-5 additional? Van Noy didn't have 3 sacks. Neither did Jones. Your top 4 sack leaders from last year are back on the roster and wouldn't rate to see reduced playing time with the addition of Hendrickson. They'd only see a drop in playing time with injuries or further additions at the high end of the draft.
3. Bain gets a fully gtd 4 year contract with additional draft comp given up. Hendrickson, if fails, gets cut after two years. The latter is much lower risk.
4. The risks of getting a starter at really any position decreases with every round in the draft you wait. 1st round picks have higher "hit" rates than 2nd rounders, 2nd rounders are higher than 3rd rounders, etc. The graphs of this have been clear for a long time.
A stud at TE would be nice, but for me Vega is the smart pick that would have the most immediate and lasting impact. Hopefully he’s still there at 14 and we make him a Raven.
@JoeyFlex5 , my man, today is your DAY.This is setting up for some epic meltdowns tonight and I am here for it.
Well, that sounds lovely but need two to tango that dance. I'm not sure anyone gives us what we would need. I'd take a 2026 2nd and a 2027 1st round pick and be very happy with that haul.Trade out of 1st if vega not there… get cardinals picks for this year and next