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[rossihunter2]

Lol at-least Taiwan is somewhat a controversial. Northern Ireland is included as UK on any map you google. Solid work NFL geography department


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and also currently the tensions around ireland since brexit are the worst they've been since the good friday agreement 23 years ago

not saying it's deliberately provocative lol but it's pretty careless

 

[rossihunter2]

i mean i guess the reason why 14 teams are not on there is that those teams might genuinely not be interested in that extra marketing space

i know harbs, in particular, would rather not play international games and the nfl seems to be committing to the idea that teams that have been awarded these areas play a game in those areas and maybe some teams just don't want to do that...

 

[airconteka]

I was curious how things are going in Australia. I’ve heard some crazy stuff about draconian lockdowns and the folks are getting restless , starting to protest. Any truth to that ?


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Not really, there is a noisy minority kicking up a stink about having to wear masks. They are mostly Qanon fans that people ignore. US right wing media have used Australia as the cautionary tale about losing individual freedom since we introduced gun control legislation in the 90s, so I wouldn't pay too much attention to that. But yeah I can buy a gun if I want to.

There are some stricter regulations in the Northern Territory around COVID precautions due to the high risk to indigenous communities, I don't have any issue trying to preserve the world oldest living culture. But in Sydney it's all recommendations not enforceable laws.

 

[rmcjacket23]

Couple things to point out, for 10, mandates have been good for the polio vaccine and the tetanus vaccine, among others that kids have to get to get into school. I don't see how a mandate for covid is different or worse. And for something this wide spread and mutating, especially with the delta variant, the mandates are generally a good thing for society. Hell, we've seen this work in other countries where the population did get vaccinated as soon as it was available.

For number 7, yes a vaccinated person can spread the virus. The huge difference though is that a vaccinated person has a much smaller period of time to spread it. An unvaccinated person can spread the virus for up to two weeks. It's not hypocrisy, it's different rules for different situations.

Okay, onto number 6, the focus is on vaccination because once you have it you just need to let it run its course while quarintine (assuming there's no complications, which do sometimes happen). There is very little out there that can force a virus through your system faster once you have it. That said it's been widely reported that the vaccinated people usually have far milder symptoms and are over it quicker, and most of the people that do end up in the hospital are the unvaccinated ones, so the primary focus is being put on preventative measures.

Finally, number 4, vaccines aren't just about the individual person getting them. By having a high percentage of the population you prevent the general spread, and the mutation of the virus. Even if an individual person would have been okay, there's a chance they passed by someone in the store or elsewhere that wouldn't be. It protects everyone that might have issues with the virus, including many that wouldn't even know it (as there are a number of seemingly healthy, in their prime people that have ended up in the hospital).

In general, vaccines are not some silver bullet that's gonna end covid. It's a part of our world now. It's about society hedging its bets; improving the odds for everyone across the board. It's about giving everyone a lower chance of getting it, milder symptoms, and a lower time they can spread it. Possibly even more important, with less of a spread there's also less mutations. With a high enough percentage of the general population being vaccinated we can move on to covid just being just a simple annoyance.

And note, not saying any of this to attack you. It's just this stuff is mostly being spread by the people who make a living off of keeping others paranoid and angry for views/clicks. Side note, almost all of the talking heads and politicians telling others to resist the vaccinate and spread conspiracies about it are vaccinated.

The reality for me is that this pandemic or endemic or whatever people want to call it now will end when we get better medications, not vaccines. When people can buy effective treatments to reduce Covid down to similar-to-flu levels, i.e. largely eliminate severe symptoms in people (save for those with compromised immune symptoms or underlying conditions), then you'll make contamination breakthroughs.

The combination of a very quickly developed vaccine (which brings about natural skepticism) with a general human fear of needles AND the now "live" concept that people may be asked to get 2, 3, 4 shots per year just to keep up with variants = a large percentage of the population who will simply say "no thank you".

As somebody who got vaccinated several months ago (and is scheduled for a booster shot in about 48 hours), I can tell you this will likely be the last shot I get for a very extended period of time. Much of the data suggests every variant is more and more resistant to the vaccine, and that some variants, like Omicron, are more contagious but also more mild. If the expectation is that a booster shot is going to be needed for every variant that occurs, we'll be doing multiple booster shots every year for the foreseeable future. Americans, in particular, aren't big fans of being mandated to get 2, 3, 4 shots every year to protect against something that largely doesn't impact a large percentage of the population at a material level.

If I were immuno-compromised or had significant health issues (obese, diabetic, etc.), I'm trying to get a booster every chance I can. For "healthier" people, I'm passing. As others have said, I'll take my chances of getting Covid, recovering, and developing natural immunities.

At some point, people just have to realize that everybody is ingrained in their position, and its time to move on in the World.

 

[Dom McRaven]

At this point, this man is a hall of fame hazard to the Jaguars.

@redrum52 , I was hoping someone got the reference.

 

[RaineV1]

The reality for me is that this pandemic or endemic or whatever people want to call it now will end when we get better medications, not vaccines. When people can buy effective treatments to reduce Covid down to similar-to-flu levels, i.e. largely eliminate severe symptoms in people (save for those with compromised immune symptoms or underlying conditions), then you'll make contamination breakthroughs.

That's... literally what the vaccine does.

Also, the vaccine isn't really new. The basis for it had been studied for over a decade. They just tweaked something that had been worked on already to make it effective against covid. One (of many) sources: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/different-vaccines/mrna.html

 

[Dom McRaven]

get him out of there - how has he not been fired by now

that's patently ridiculous - his position should have been untenable when he pulled that stunt in the bar on the bye week

this urban meyer stuff is genuinely unheard of week after week - and it makes me feel really sorry for the college kids who were probably treated very similarly but had no recourse or media connections or outlets to be able to leak this stuff and even then meyer was chased out of 2 separate programs in disgrace... if it was bad enough that that happened in college then the signs should have been clear

so many of these incidents are bizarre and bad and this is by no means the worst one but i still cannot get over the genuinely absurd fact that he threatened coaching staff's jobs over losing 2 preseason games...

He's gone now.

 

[rossihunter2]

He's gone now.

yeah just saw khan’s statement which is pretty clear - and says a lot given khan’s propensity for patience with head coaches in the past

 

[JO_75]

yeah just saw khan’s statement which is pretty clear - and says a lot given khan’s propensity for patience with head coaches in the past

Good riddance... that's now two terrible Head Coaches gone from the league. It still sucks that even after the report that Snyder was interfering with the league's investigation that Goodell stuck up for Snyder and denied it. Gruden, Meyer, now if only we can Snyder to sell the Football Team, unless Goodell knows Danny boy has something on him and the rest of the owners that might be in those emails the NFL doesn't want out.

 

[rmcjacket23]

That's... literally what the vaccine does.

Also, the vaccine isn't really new. The basis for it had been studied for over a decade. They just tweaked something that had been worked on already to make it effective against covid. One (of many) sources: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/different-vaccines/mrna.html

Sure... temporarily. It's not anywhere close to other vaccines, which are usually a shot or two in a lifetime. Granted, the virus is only a few years old and others have been around for centuries.

Pretty much any other rampantly spread virus has effective OTC or prescription medications that reduce symptoms and allow the body to fight off the virus itself (which is the only thing that actually works against a virus). It's not a reasonable request to expect people to take 3,4 doses of a vaccine every year for the foreseeable future. People simply won't do it, and that's with or without a mandate.

Effective, affordable medications, not vaccines, is what will turn the course.

In terms of the vaccine being "new" or not, the basis for the technology isn't new. The vaccine is. Millions of people, including myself, took it before clinical trials had even been fully completed. People aren't adverse to taking a Smallpox vaccine because they have decades and decades of data showing its effectiveness and identifying any potential issues. Even with any mRNA vaccine, you don't have that.

 

[rossihunter2]

Sure... temporarily. It's not anywhere close to other vaccines, which are usually a shot or two in a lifetime. Granted, the virus is only a few years old and others have been around for centuries.

Pretty much any other rampantly spread virus has effective OTC or prescription medications that reduce symptoms and allow the body to fight off the virus itself (which is the only thing that actually works against a virus). It's not a reasonable request to expect people to take 3,4 doses of a vaccine every year for the foreseeable future. People simply won't do it, and that's with or without a mandate.

Effective, affordable medications, not vaccines, is what will turn the course.

In terms of the vaccine being "new" or not, the basis for the technology isn't new. The vaccine is. Millions of people, including myself, took it before clinical trials had even been fully completed. People aren't adverse to taking a Smallpox vaccine because they have decades and decades of data showing its effectiveness and identifying any potential issues. Even with any mRNA vaccine, you don't have that.

i mean the answer is clearly a combination of all those things - with vaccines being the first and most important frontline effort - it may well be though that within the next year or 2 the vaccine booster shots become like flu shots that you get in the autumn/winter to protect yourself at the worst time of the year

but in terms of effective, affordable medication - it's pretty clear that vaccines are going to be the key to fighting off variants (both when they emerge and also stopping them emerge in the first place) - the global problem right now is that half the world has no access to vaccines because the west are hoarding them which is allowing new variants to emerge in those areas and then travel around the world

the best thing to do to start ending this pandemic is still to vaccinate as many people globally as possible

yes therapeutic treatments are important too - and a number of effective drugs have already been created and are starting to be used - but the easiest way to reduce adverse consequences is always going to be the vaccine

 

[rossihunter2]

 

[rossihunter2]

what beggars belief is that urban put this staff together...

just an utterly bizarre man

 

[JO_75]

what beggars belief is that urban put this staff together...

just an utterly bizarre man

Didn't they sign one of our position coaches too?

 

[rossihunter2]

Didn't they sign one of our position coaches too?

joe cullen is their DC - by most accounts it sounds like urban mostly left the defensive staff alone the last few months (mostly because in his eyes they were doing a good job) - but means that joe cullen and zach orr and sterling lucas were probably mostly left alone

but i imagine chris hewitt is probably somewhat relieved that the jaguars hired cullen instead of him as their DC though

 

[rmcjacket23]

i mean the answer is clearly a combination of all those things - with vaccines being the first and most important frontline effort - it may well be though that within the next year or 2 the vaccine booster shots become like flu shots that you get in the autumn/winter to protect yourself at the worst time of the year

but in terms of effective, affordable medication - it's pretty clear that vaccines are going to be the key to fighting off variants (both when they emerge and also stopping them emerge in the first place) - the global problem right now is that half the world has no access to vaccines because the west are hoarding them which is allowing new variants to emerge in those areas and then travel around the world

the best thing to do to start ending this pandemic is still to vaccinate as many people globally as possible

yes therapeutic treatments are important too - and a number of effective drugs have already been created and are starting to be used - but the easiest way to reduce adverse consequences is always going to be the vaccine

OK, but it sort of misses the point. Its basically pontificating at this point.
What is 100% undeniable is that a large percentage of the population, American or otherwise, aren't going to get vaccinated in the short term (next several years). No matter what is said or done, that's the way it is. Nothing short of mass-vax mandates at the Government level will achieve anything material in that regards, and there's too many governments, like the U.S., that will never agree to that type of process. There's too much historical issues with lack of government trust and excessive government oversight for that to happen.

So for me, expecting 80-90% of Americans to get vaccinated, and especially, take multiple vaccines per year, is pretty much off the table. It's not even realistic at this point. People can pontificate about why or why not, but its just an irrelevant conversation at this point.

At the end of the day, Americans are sort of "done" with the aspect of getting vaccinated to keep others safe and healthy. Pretty much anybody who was at-risk or high risk has had opportunities to get vaccinated and seek treatments as needed. A year ago, it was "well old people can't go outside without fear of dying from Covid". That's not really on the table anymore, because old people can get vaccinated and protect themselves. They can get boosters and protect themselves.

It's pretty much entirely a "what does it do to me" assessment at this point. And for the average American, who's already been vaccinated, they're realizing that getting Covid, for most people, will result in nothing other than minor symptoms that will fade away in days. And some variants, like Omicron, are even validating that further, because all evaluations such far look like its a milder variant, which is also good news for the population itself.

So yes, there will be a large population who will say "yes, I'm fine having cold symptoms for a few days, rather than getting three shots this year".

Like it or not, that's where Americans are in this process. They're tired of being dictated to. People were asked vaccines, and a most of them did. People were asked to wear masks, and most of them did. People cancelled vacations and social distanced, because they were asked to do so. They're just not going to do it forever, and nobody can tell them where the end is. If any government on the planet could go to their people and say "you do X for 6 weeks, and it'll all be over", they'll probably do it. But nobody can say that, because nobody knows.

I'm extremely guilty of being one of "those people" who doesn't even really view Covid as a thing anymore. I've gotten vaccinated, and I'm scheduled for a booster tomorrow. I don't wear masks in public unless I'm forced to, and I have zero issue going into bars, restaurants, etc. and being around other unmasked people. I'm a 35 year old, largely healthy person. I have a 2 year old and a 5 year old who are same. I'm very confident that either a) we've all already had Covid and didn't know it or b) if any of us gets Covid, it will be extremely mild. Maybe i'll be wrong, but statistically, I'll be right. I jumped through all the hoops my Government said I should do. I'm just not willing to do it forever, and nobody can tell me when the end is. So once I feel I'm safe, and once I feel my family is safe, I move on with our lives to normal levels. And that's what we're doing.

People can agree or disagree with it all they want. That's just reality.

 

[rossihunter2]

OK, but it sort of misses the point. Its basically pontificating at this point.
What is 100% undeniable is that a large percentage of the population, American or otherwise, aren't going to get vaccinated in the short term (next several years). No matter what is said or done, that's the way it is. Nothing short of mass-vax mandates at the Government level will achieve anything material in that regards, and there's too many governments, like the U.S., that will never agree to that type of process. There's too much historical issues with lack of government trust and excessive government oversight for that to happen.

So for me, expecting 80-90% of Americans to get vaccinated, and especially, take multiple vaccines per year, is pretty much off the table. It's not even realistic at this point. People can pontificate about why or why not, but its just an irrelevant conversation at this point.

At the end of the day, Americans are sort of "done" with the aspect of getting vaccinated to keep others safe and healthy. Pretty much anybody who was at-risk or high risk has had opportunities to get vaccinated and seek treatments as needed. A year ago, it was "well old people can't go outside without fear of dying from Covid". That's not really on the table anymore, because old people can get vaccinated and protect themselves. They can get boosters and protect themselves.

It's pretty much entirely a "what does it do to me" assessment at this point. And for the average American, who's already been vaccinated, they're realizing that getting Covid, for most people, will result in nothing other than minor symptoms that will fade away in days. And some variants, like Omicron, are even validating that further, because all evaluations such far look like its a milder variant, which is also good news for the population itself.

So yes, there will be a large population who will say "yes, I'm fine having cold symptoms for a few days, rather than getting three shots this year".

Like it or not, that's where Americans are in this process. They're tired of being dictated to. People were asked vaccines, and a most of them did. People were asked to wear masks, and most of them did. People cancelled vacations and social distanced, because they were asked to do so. They're just not going to do it forever, and nobody can tell them where the end is. If any government on the planet could go to their people and say "you do X for 6 weeks, and it'll all be over", they'll probably do it. But nobody can say that, because nobody knows.

I'm extremely guilty of being one of "those people" who doesn't even really view Covid as a thing anymore. I've gotten vaccinated, and I'm scheduled for a booster tomorrow. I don't wear masks in public unless I'm forced to, and I have zero issue going into bars, restaurants, etc. and being around other unmasked people. I'm a 35 year old, largely healthy person. I have a 2 year old and a 5 year old who are same. I'm very confident that either a) we've all already had Covid and didn't know it or b) if any of us gets Covid, it will be extremely mild. Maybe i'll be wrong, but statistically, I'll be right. I jumped through all the hoops my Government said I should do. I'm just not willing to do it forever, and nobody can tell me when the end is. So once I feel I'm safe, and once I feel my family is safe, I move on with our lives to normal levels. And that's what we're doing.

People can agree or disagree with it all they want. That's just reality.

when i said vaccination's the solution - the reason that we're now getting new waves of infections right now is because of omicron which has emerged likely from somewhere in the global south where there's much worse access to vaccines

we live in a globalised world where isolationism isnt really a realistic strategy anymore - if the US, UK, Germany etc have started hitting saturation point on vaccines then they should send the millions of spare doses to the global south to help prevent future variants emerging

 

[rossihunter2]

omg - imagine the catharsis and relief in that building and on that practice field right now lol

 

[BoredMarine13]

Jackson Mahomes is the ultimate d-bag. This KC bar absolutely owned him lol

https://www.news10.com/news/downtown-kansas-city-bar-calls-out-jackson-mahomes-after-incident/amp/


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[BoredMarine13]

It's pretty much entirely a "what does it do to me" assessment at this point. And for the average American, who's already been vaccinated, they're realizing that getting Covid, for most people, will result in nothing other than minor symptoms that will fade away in days. And some variants, like Omicron, are even validating that further, because all evaluations such far look like its a milder variant, which is also good news for the population itself.

So yes, there will be a large population who will say "yes, I'm fine having cold symptoms for a few days, rather than getting three shots this year".
.

Well said. Thankfully, COVID mania is slowly coming to an end . Those still pushing a fear based perspective are losing support.


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