if you want intricate you definitely dont want a seattle-based cover 3 defence then lol
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if you want intricate you definitely dont want a seattle-based cover 3 defence then lol
rmcjacket23
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I thought same when I saw the connection to Seattle. But its pretty clear that a lot of people around the league value some of the assistants or former assistants in that program. And it may just be me, but I view Seattle as a FO failure more than a coaching failure. Not a lot of talent I see on that defense (or on the offensive line). I shake my head at their offseason moves (and draft failures) seemingly every year.
Looking at the actual roster they have, I think they've actually overachieved for years (with the exception of this year).
JAAM
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I mean, I wouldn't mind lol. Seattle got ridiculously good DB play and solid pass rush out of it
and we've developed non-marquee talent during his tenure too - averett has become a starting level corner, he took westry who did nothing for the cowboys and turned him into something, and we've seen brandon stephens develop quickly too
rmcjacket23
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Reason # 272 why its not always a great idea to listen to fan opinions about coaching. His "take" appears to be entirely based on recency bias and the last thing he just saw, which almost always leads to bad decision making.
If Wink were fired last year, Hewitt probably would have been a shoe-in candidate to replace him. Now apparently he's off the radar entirely. Go figure.
for sure - wasnt inherently a criticism to dispute it's intricacies - some have criticised wink's defence in the past for being overly complex
i do think there's something to be said for the league having moved on a bit from single high safety type base coverages (like cover 1 and cover 3) because of how much ground you're asking that safety to cover - obviously you use all sorts of different coverages and concepts throughout games but league's new go-to seems to be more of a split-safety cover 2 type of philosophy
when they had elite talent at all those positions... sure
scheme's important - talent's more important
Davesta
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I don’t follow the Seahawks.. I know they primary ran cover 3 during LOB era. Did they not change their ways after all those guys were gone? Lol
side note: maybe when we covert to cover 3, Marlon will finally play his true pOsITioN as a sTronG SAfeTy
tbf i still think he's the favourite if im honest - we're only hearing about these interview requests because they're external - it's highly likely that hewitt and weaver are both being interviewed for the job as well and it just wont be announced - just like we didnt hear about any of the interviews for any of the staff overhaul last year either (and that was mostly external coaching additions too)
Wasn't Richard pretty good as the DB coach in Dallas also
i mean both yes and no - they havent changed their base defence much because it's still pretty effective wherever they've been since when they've had talent on defence - and kris richard coached the defence very similarly when he took over after those guys left to similar success early and then slightly lesser success as the seahawks had some injuries the final 2 years before he was fired (worth noting that he was the playcaller for the cowboys too despite not being the DC there)
but it is worth pointing out they dont just run 2 coverages over and over again because this is the nfl and they'd get victimised all the time - dan quinn especially is running cover 1 and cover 3 much more evenly than he used to and has added in more frequent cover 2 and cover 4 too
but the reason they havent got rid of the cover 3 is because it's still a pretty effective defence:
philosophically it hybridises the front and runs a combination of 3-4 and 4-3 (or more importantly given how little teams play base defence anymore it combines 1-gapping and 2-gapping concepts in the same front) and runs cover-3 and cover-1 on the backend
it's really reliant on having corners who can play press-bail (bump and run whatever you want to call it lol) and puts edge defenders in position to rush - there's a lot of zone coverage in their defence - lots of different kinds of zone coverages but a ton of zone
on this - obviously a joke - but i remember thinking (and probably posting here too pre-draft) in 2017 that marlon would be a perfect fit for seattle at corner - obviously outside not at safety
i dont know much about those cowboys defences while he was there - but i do know there was some weird situation where he was the playcaller not Rod Marinelli (despite marinelli being the DC)
JoeyFlex5
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I also think it’s possible they’re doing interviews as sort of a way of getting an outside look at their defense, sort of a “what ideas do you have to improve this unit philosophically”, if they’re floored by one of their responses then they may extend a job offer, if not they get some fresh eyed perspective to pass on to their internal hire
due diligence
so they've already interviewed him not just a request
kris richard would be like the complete opposite of wink philosophically - going from a blitz -heavy, man-heavy, complex defence with tons of disguise to a zone-heavy, 4 man pressure, simple defence
what worries me a little about richard is that he actively discourages disguising coverage - cowboys defenders after he left criticised him a ton for showing no disguise at all pre-snap - iloka, awuzie
which is odd because dan quinn and gus bradley have no issues disguising coverage
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Dom McRaven
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This is heinous.
JoeyFlex5
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This shit is just creepy at this point